Offseason Thread: Grading the Reds Offseason (So Far)

by AshlandATeam 24. January 2011 16:18

Being a sports fan in 2011 means never having an offseason. While the players may take a few months off in between campaigns, for you and me, the off months bring a steady stream of rumors, speculation, and of course, internet arguments. And the 2010/2011 winter has been packed with all three for Reds fans.

 

Here's one fan's look at how the Reds have done this offseason:

 

The Returnees

Bronson Arroyo - 3 year, $35 million extension

 

I find myself in the minority among Reds fans on this one. While the deal on paper makes sense, as $12 mil a year is chump change for the 200 innings and 13-17 wins a year that everyone's favorite guitar playing starter brings, if there's one area the Reds are deep, it's starting pitcher. Going into 2012, the first year the deal kicks in, the Reds will be seven deep with quality starters (Arroyo, Cueto, Voltron, Leake, Wood, Chapman, Bailey), and that doesn't count anyone in the minor leagues or fringes (Maloney, LeCure, etc.). And while I agree that the young guys have growing up to do, the fact is that if the other guys don't develop into solid starters themselves, the Reds are in real trouble, Bronson or no Bronson.

 

The best case scenario is that by 2013, Bronson is our worst of the seven pitchers. The more likely scenario is that he's the fourth or fifth guy while others have been traded or gotten hurt. Worst case scenario is he's still our ace in two years, meaning the Reds 2010 season was the best this group has to offer. Either way you look at it, the deal doesn't seem to be the best use of funds for the Reds, whether they're paying for an ace on a non contender or a back end/irrelevant one on a contender. It's not a horrible deal, but it's certainly not a good one, either.

 

AAT's Grade: C

Miguel Cairo - 2 year, $2 million re-signing

 

Miguel Cairo is the single worst player to ever don a Red's uniform. He's a disgrace who makes Chris Stynes and Randy Milligan look like Rose and Perez. I hope he falls down the stairs, can't play, and then cries in front of his locker when the media questions his toughness and other players around the league mock him on Twitter. In other words, I can't wait for two more years of the old guy defying our expectations, and the price is fantastic.

 

AAT's Grade: A

Jay Bruce - 6 year, $51 million extension

 

According to Fangraphs, Bruce Almighty was worth 5.3 WAR in 2010. To compare, Jayson Werth was worth 5.0. Taking into consideration the fact that Bruce is still getting better, while Werth is in his prime, and it's hard to find a single thing to complain about the Reds' signing of Bruce to a contract worth literally half of what Washington signed their new right fielder for (assuming the seventh year's option is picked up). Also, it appears that Bruce is at least 75% less of a douche as Werth is, which is nice.

 

In a related story, I made a bet with my dad two years ago that Bruce would end up having a better career than Joey Votto by the time everything was said and done. And despite Votto's incredible 2010, I stand by that. Jay is going to be the best player on this team for the vast majority of the contract, and my only regret is that it's 'only' six years.

 

AAT's Grade: A+

Joey Votto - 3 year, $38 million extension

 

On the one hand, Joey's the reigning MVP who is better, and cheaper than Ryan Howard, Prince Fielder, and Mark Teixiera. So there's that. On the other hand, this deal is 110% unnecessary from the Reds' perspective, considering Votto was already under team control over that time, and it's questionable at best whether or not he'd be awarded $38 million in arbitration.

 

Where does that leave us? Well, I think realistically it tells us that we have three years to enjoy Joey the Bat. And what happens in those years will have a lot of bearing on whether or not those are the last of the three years. If the Reds can go to the playoffs all three years, win World Series and draw 35,000 fans a night, there's no reason he can't sign a 6 year, $150 million deal to stay in town past 2013. If the Reds turn into the NL version of the Minnesota Twins, making the playoffs and losing to the beast of the East every year (which, for the record, is my biggest fear for our Redlegs: that no matter how good we get, we'll never beat the Phillies and their deep pockets and staff full of aces), then Joey is probably gone. And anything less than that and we may as well trade him in 2013.

 

The point is that I like that the Reds won't have to mess with the arbitration process, and I'm excited to see what this three year window brings for the Reds.

 

AAT's Grade: B-

Johnny Cueto - 4 year, $27 million extension

 

Consider me in the minority on this one as well - this deal is a STEAL for the Reds. Over the last two seasons, Cueto has made the leap from an erratic arm who can barely keep his ERA below 5.00 to the Dominican Matt Cain. The kid is an ace in the making, and I think, the most important player on the 2011 Cincinnati Reds. If he can take one more jump, he'll be a legit front of the rotation starter that the Reds can lean on throughout the season and into the playoffs. If he can't? Then 2010 will be hard to repeat, let alone surpass.

 

He's got the talent, he's shown the improvement, and he's tantalizingly close to the upper echelon of the NL. If he can make that one leap, this deal will be the ultimate underpay, especially in that fourth year. If he doesn't, it's still below market value for your second or third starter. Barring a catastrophic injury suffered at the hands of a deranged Jason LaRue fan with a blunt object, all the hullabaloo about this deal being bad will be a distant memory.

 

AAT's Grade: B+

The New Guys

Dontrelle Willis - 1 year minor league deal

 

If Dontrelle Willis pitches significant innings for the Reds in 2011, I'll eat my Tom Browning Florence Freedom bobblehead. I'm already excited for the D-Train taking innings from the other Reds in Spring Training, Mark Sheldon's write-up about a tantalizing redemption story, and then the inevitable DFA right before the season.

 

AAT's Grade: F

Jeremy Hermida - 1 year minor league deal

 

You'd think Hermida would get a similarly snarky response as Dontrelle Willis. Not so fast! Were you aware that Hermida's best season (.870 OPS, HR every 27 ABs) is eerily similar to our own Jay Bruce's 2010 (.846 OPS, HR every 23 ABs)? This is the perfect no risk/high reward signing; if he's terrible, he'll never see the field in the Reds' suddenly deep outfield and we won't have to worry about it. If he shows an ability to live up to his talent, he could suddenly steal the left field job and give the Reds yet another young (26) stud to build around the next five years. It truly is a perfect minor league deal.

 

AAT's Grade: A

Edgar Renteria - 1 year, $2.1 million signing

 

I don't like Edgar Renteria. I don't know why, really; he's never done anything to me. Maybe it has to do with the fact that he's played for the Cardinals, Braves and Red Sox, three teams I despise. Maybe it's because his batting stance always reminds me of Garry Sheffield's, who I similarly disliked. Maybe it's just because the Reds never had a good shortstop for so long and I sought to diminish the abilities of others.

 

Regardless, I know now why I don't like him: I know he'll be good for 400 ABs in 2011. I know he'll take playing time from Paul Janish, who I believe can play every day at the position, post around a .750 OPS, and win a Gold Glove at short. I know he'll take playing time from Miguel Cairo and Juan Francisco and Chris Valaika and any number of other Reds who can do what he does on the field at this point of his career. And I know he's coming to camp expecting to be the starter.

 

I don't like this signing, Sam I Am. I don't like it one bit.

 

AAT's Grade: D

Fred Lewis - 1 year, $900,000 signing

 

Take everything I said in the previous section, and the opposite is true in this one. I LOVE this move. I don't know why I like Fred Lewis, but I always have. And oh by the way, he just so happens to fill a hole that the Reds have had for more than a decade. If he can repeat his 2010, when he had an OBP of .332, I'll be happy. I he returns to his 2008/2009 form, when he posted OBPs of .351 and .348, respectively, I'll be ecstatic. If he surpasses both of those (a distinct possibility in GABP), he'll be the deal of the offseason and fill the one offense hole the league's best offense had in 2010.

 

Best of all? With Lewis leading off, that means Drew Stubbs and Brandon Phillips aren't. In other words, for the rock bottom rate of $900K, Walt upgraded three spots in the every day lineup. Beat that, GM with the impossible to spell name north of the border!

 

AAT's Grade: A+ 

 

The Unfinished Business

Edinson Volquez

 

If they sign him for 3-4 years for less than $20 mil, I'll give it an A. Any more, in years, or cash, and I'm not real happy. He's obviously talented, but take away his 2008 first half and he's basically been a league average starter, both before and after his elbow injury.

 

I like Voltron and think he can be one of the league's better third starters. But I'm not convinced he's reliable enough to commit to the way the Reds have Cueto.

 

Midseason Potential

 

Finally, in one of the most under-reported stories of the offseason, despite committing $151 million is contracts (and counting) this offseason, Walt is taking the Reds into 2011 with a LOWER payroll than he did in 2010. What does that mean?

 

It's obvious: the Reds can, and will be players at the trade deadline in July.

 

I think Walt smells blood in the NL Central water; the Cardinals are worse than they were at this time last year. The Brewers improved, but if they can make up 15 games in the standings against the Reds, I'll eat my Mike Napoli Goodyear Tires-sponsored bobblehead; the Cubs, Astros and Pirates have either gotten better or treaded water. Now is the time to create enough separation so that when the 2011 Reds face off against the Phillies in the playoffs, they're coming to Cincinnati three or four times. And the Reds are rich in minor league talent and financially able to get whatever ace du jour is available halfway through the season to put them over the top.

 

2010 was fun, but for my money, 2011 is going to be better. And this time next year, when I'm wearing my 2011 World Series Championship Reds hat, every Red's grade will be an 'A.'

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Comments (551) -

Redwakeup
Redwakeup
1/24/2011 6:32:45 PM #

You totally lost me on Monkeypoop's grade of an A. Did I not look at it right?

AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
1/24/2011 6:49:23 PM #

$1 million for a guy who played as much and as well as him is great. I wanted him back, and the price is right. I loved it.

Timothy Wyant
Timothy Wyant
1/24/2011 6:34:08 PM #

Ash, good starter.  I agree on most of your points.  Arroyo is a bit of a luxery, but he eats innings and also provides some mentorship and grounding to the rest of the young guys in the rotation and the bullpen.  I never thought much of that sort of thing till Rolen made his way over here.

Disagree on one thing though.  It is absolutely impossible to get an F on a minor league deal.  If he figures it out, awesome, and if he doesn't you either send him to Louisville to work things out or you pay him his Per Diem for ST and send him on his way.  When you essentially risk nothing, tough to get a failing grade.

AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
1/24/2011 6:48:50 PM #

It was more sarcastic than anything - since I figure we'll never see him in the big leagues, I didn't really know how to grade it the way I did the others.

Mary
Mary
1/24/2011 6:54:14 PM #

exactly--no risk proposition as I see it.  I think Arroyo will continue to be a 15-17 game winner throughout his contract, and just about any team in baseball would take someone as consistent and durable as he has been and probably will remain

Dawginnaples
Dawginnaples
1/24/2011 7:05:09 PM #

Lots of room for discussion here. How about we start with Arroyo. Without Bronson, who eats 200 innings with a high degree of certainty, right now? Wood,Leake,Cueto,Voltron, or Bailey? When they do, it will be their first time. That in itself justifies that contract. If 4-5 guys all step up and make him a 5th starter (extremely doubtful), his contract is still very tradeable. He could be the commodity to bring reinforcements to the minors. I also feel like he is a great person to demonstrate how to pitch to some of our throwers. Sooner or later, Volquez, Bailey, &/or Cueto will chart one of Arroyo's games and the light will come on for them. If it doesn't, he's even more valuable to the team.

RedFaced
RedFaced
1/24/2011 7:21:21 PM #

Bingo!!!.    What Dawg said.

Redwakeup
Redwakeup
1/24/2011 8:11:18 PM #

Ok, after I past the Monkeypoop business (You gave him an A?) I looked at everything a little bit closer. I agree with most of what you said, but I believe that Bronson is a B+ to an A-. He's an innings eater that the Reds need, and I think that the Reds will still have a need for him three years from now. Not knockin' the rest of our pitching staff, but I don't see Bronson's stuff changing that much. I see him continuing to pitch as "Good Bronson" most of the time. You don't like to see "Bad Bronson" arrive, but He is there much less than the Good side. I see Bronson more in the likes (Pitching speeds only) of a Greg Maddux. I do not expect to see him throw his arm out.

As for the rest of the gang, is Homer going to find his way mentally? Will we see poor outings from him again this spring? In other words, can he get his stuff together for a full season?

Will Voltron make a full recovery, and if so will he become that true Ace that the Reds need? Yes, it is a few months later, and hopefully the rest has done him some good. Will his control be back in the Spring, or will it be in the fall or ever?

Will Cueto continue to improve? He tends to have his moments of frustration. Will Leake and Wood be ready to take on full seasons this year? Will Chapman ever be a starter? Who knows, I think that Bronson will be needed here for a while, and I don't think that it is a bash on the Reds if he finishes his career in a Reds uniform, no matter how many more years that he plays. His pitching style, IMHO works for him. I think the rating should be a B+.

Dontrell Willis, eh. It's a minor league contract. If he can turn it around, it's an A. If he doesn't, its an incomplete, just like if you ever dropped a class in college. No big deal.

Edgar Renteria? I don't think that he is a D. Do I want to see him start? No. Am I completely sold on Janish? No. Was there anyone out on the Free Agent listings? Not that I know of. If he plays a backup role, and plays offensively like he did in the playoffs, I think he's a B.

As for the 2011 Reds vs the rest of the NL Central, I have lots of questions in my mind? Did the Reds play beyond themselves in 2010? I think that the Cubs played below their potential. With the addition of Garza, will the Reds be able to hold them off? Yeah, we know what Little Carp thinks of the Reds, but that pitching staff is still dangerous, and they always seem to have the Reds number. Houston was the only NL Central team, other than the Reds to have a winning NL Central Record at 45-33. They will not be easy. Every odd year, Prince Fielder has a good year. Every even year he doesn't do so well. Guess what? It's 2011 (odd year). The Brewers have loaded up for the 2011 campaign in pitching, and if their offense works for them like it did a few years ago, that could hurt the Reds.

The Reds 91-71 record, IMHO, may have been juiced by a 49-30 record against the NL Central. Was it a weak NL Central that the Reds feasted on in 2010? Has the rest of the NL Central closed the gap? The Reds were 17-15 vs the NL East, and 17-19 vs the West. I know that there were many people at the start of last year that did not think that the Reds had a better than .500 club. I was one that thought they could do better than .500. I would like to see the Reds get 91+ wins this year. I want to see the Cardinals in the Rear view Mirror again. I think that we will see the Cardinals in the rear view, but I just wonder if some of the rest of the Central may have caught up a bit in the Offseason.




AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
1/24/2011 8:54:30 PM #

I'm with you on the NL Central juicing the Reds' record. But I don't see that changing. Fangraphs had a good writeup on the Garza deal, but the short answer is that he's insanely overrated and could be headed for an Aaron Harang like career in Wrigley. And yeah, Pena's a good addition, but is he better than Derrek Lee?

As far as Milwaukee goes, I fully expect them to be better. But they were 14 games back of the Reds last year. That's a big, BIG number. The truth is, they could win 90 games and STILL not be in second place.

I think the Reds will keep beating up on the division, and I fully expect them in the driver's seat next year.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/24/2011 9:05:27 PM #

As a Rays watcher, Pena is not better than Lee but should hit more HR while striking out an ass load.

Garza is a fly ball machine and Wrigley, GABP and Houston could get ugly for him. He will enjoy not facing the AL east this year.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/24/2011 8:11:21 PM #

I have to say AAT is the perfect guy for this discussion. Like his opinions or not he has opinions. Polarizing points of view spawn discussion. I hate it when a radio host or writer do it for effect.

That's why I like AAT's opinions. After reading his thoughts over the last few years you know they are all genuine.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/24/2011 8:23:24 PM #

On to my thoughts...

Arroyo- I really have to echo Dawg on this one. The trade-able contract is what stand out to me. So many big market teams overpay for guys who have no business making what we pay Arroyo. He is worth every penny. Taking the ball every turn is such a big deal to me.

Bruce-I hope he exceeds Votto's numbers. I've always thought he would. He is the key to the season in my opinion.

Willis-C'mon AAT! Its a free looksie. He is still very young and has the stuff. His head is screwed up...his mechanics are all over the place but he could still be an effective LH stopper. Or he could flame out and it cost us nothing.

I love the Hermedia, Cairo and Lewis deals. Hermedia could be Nix plus. He has more pop and in GABP that could be nice.

We all wish the Votto deal could have been for a year or two longer but it's not so look at the bright side... hopefully no Votto controversies the next few seasons.

AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
1/24/2011 8:30:25 PM #

Bronson's contract is the definition of 'untradeable.' If he's traded, the 2013 contract is $18 million. It's basically a no-trade clause.

Mary
Mary
1/24/2011 8:34:54 PM #

who knows what a steady 15-17 game winner goes for by 2013?  I don't think that makes him untradeable if he is still the BA he is today

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
1/24/2011 8:38:34 PM #

Moreover, Vernon Wells just got traded.

AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
1/24/2011 8:42:28 PM #

HA! Well played.

My point is Bronson structured the deal that way precisely so that he wasn't traded (at least that seems how it was from comments he made when the trade was announced).  

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
1/24/2011 8:47:21 PM #

Oh I completely agree w/ that, but I'm not calling anybody untradeable anymore haha.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/24/2011 8:48:52 PM #

Thanks Grizz...who woulda thought there were takers for that contract. You just pray for Arroyo's health and that he becomes an important mentor to the young guys in the rotation.

AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
1/24/2011 8:46:58 PM #

Here's what I would have liked to have seen with Arroyo: let 2011 run its course. See where we stand with Leake/Wood/Bailey. See how Chapman is developing. Even if someone gets hurt (for the sake of this exercise, let's say Leake), if other guys continue to progress, your 2012 rotation can still be Cueto, Volquez, Wood, Bailey and Chapman.

If two guys got hurt, or Bailey falls apart, or Chapman never develops that third pitch or any number of other variables occur, just extend Arroyo after next year. No harm done. Sure, you run the risk of free agency, and yes, you pay him more next year. But this almost seems like the Reds front office is betting against the other six guys actually panning out, and I, for one, don't like that.

Mary
Mary
1/24/2011 8:52:20 PM #

don't forget that his restructuring saved something like $6-7M on the payroll total for 2011 over what was in the contract (with buyout) that was replaced with the new 3 year deal.  There is definite value in that and I believe that is why his was the first contact extension to be done--it kind of set the standard for deferring until the winning team fills the coffers

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/24/2011 8:54:27 PM #

its called insurance. By owning insurance you are betting something could likely happen. CYA. This guy is as close to a sure thing as you will find in a SP.

He likes it here and wants to stay. He's stable and consistent. Eveyyone else is a roll of the dice. I see your point but I think it would just be to risky to let him get to the end of his deal and let him walk. Every guy in our rotation has done very little to spark my confidence in anyone of them to be a guy you can count on under pressure.

How many times was Bronson the stopper of a streak last year?

AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
1/24/2011 9:13:21 PM #

Sure. Which is why I don't hate the deal. It's just my least favorite of the four extensions, even if, as Mary pointed out, it was necessary to get them done.

AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
1/24/2011 9:18:18 PM #

One more thing on Dontrelle: I'm afraid of him. I really am. I'm afraid he has a great spring and the Reds are convinced he's not DFA worthy. I'm afraid he makes the club and ends up pitching well for a couple weeks in Cincinnati. And I'm afraid because we all know how this eventually ends.

Willis is shot. He's been consistently terrible for the last five seasons. In the last three years, in extreme pitchers parks, he's posted ERAs of 9.38, 7.49 and 5.62.

This 'let's give him a shot' mentality can shoot the Reds in the foot, even if it's for a handful of games. As competitive as we all think this division is going to be, we can't have him blowing even a few games for the team. Remember - as confident as I am, the Cardinals win this division last year if not for one road trip in August, when they went 2-8 against Washington, Pittsburgh, and Houston. It can turn that quickly.

I don't want to see Willis get the chance to fall apart in Cincinnati as he's done the last four years elsewhere.

rpa
rpa
1/24/2011 10:27:12 PM #

I think the Reds have too many other options for that to go on for very long... if this were a team where they couldn't find 12 decent MLB pitchers and had kids they should be giving innings to... then maybe.

But now?   Doesn't worry me much.  Lightning in a bottle is worth the risk.

RedFaced
RedFaced
1/24/2011 10:46:35 PM #

I personally don't see Willis making it long in Spring Training.  I don't think this will be an issue for long.  I like the guy but he's done.  

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
1/24/2011 11:02:22 PM #

Love this quote from Angels owner Arte:
Owner Arte Moreno angrily drew the line back in December in the Crawford negotiations before Boston got him for seven years and $142 million, then griped to the Los Angeles Times, "When do we get to the point where we're doing a disservice to the organization [by spending so much on one player]? I'm not the Boston Red Sox. I'm not the New York Yankees."
www.cbssports.com/.../needing-youth-quickness-angels-instead-opt-for-wells

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
1/24/2011 11:27:42 PM #

DatDudeBP Brandon Phillips
I think dat Paul Janish is goin 2 surprise everyone! "Go PJ" RT @bifteckboy: @DatDudeBP Who are you excited about breaking out this season?

rpa
rpa
1/24/2011 11:47:55 PM #

Reading this made my eyes bleed.

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
1/25/2011 1:30:32 AM #

Dat's what she said?

rpa
rpa
1/24/2011 11:28:53 PM #

Oooh, I wanna give baseball themed grades.  I know I'll make typos, wish I could edit.


Arroyo - Yeah, it seems like too much to give Arroyo.  But he's probably the lowest risk deal the Reds signed.  You more or less know what you're going to get.  When the rest of the staff is a lot of young guys who may or may not pan out (and I would put literally every other Reds starter in that basket), it's good to have a guy who is a reliable, mid-rotation innings eater.  The deferred money makes it a no-brainer.  
Rating: Double

Cairo - He's a utility infielder.  $1 mil isn't too much for one of those.  Let the guys with more potential get at-bats in the minors until they can win a regular job.  My guess - 2 year contract, one year where he hits .300, one year where he hits .200.  Kinda like signing a middle reliever to a 2 year deal.  Just not enough sample size from year to year to get consistent results.  Still, I like the guy (even though he TOTALLY SUCKS AND CAN'T PLAY BASEBALL WORTH A DAMN).  That last statement should at least get us 2 key pinch hits in April.  
Rating: Sacrifice Bunt (the good "pitcher hitting in the 8th inning of a tie game" kind, not the bad "2-hole hitter with no outs in the 1st inning" kind)

Bruce - I don't like this deal because the guy hasn't put together an entire major league season yet.  The closest thing he's had was last year, and two of those months looked like minor league ball to me.  But, there's no denying the potential, he finished the year strong and it's probably a decent risk.
Rating: Trying to Advance to Third on a Double... With Two Outs  (If it works, you're a genius.  If not, you're an idiot.)

Votto - Yay, cost certainty.
Rating: Intentional Walk

Cueto - Oh, a 4 year contract for a boneheaded starting pitcher.
Rating: Pinch-hitting Juan Castro for Josh Hamilton (hey, it could work!)

Willis - Uh, this might be valuable, or maybe just a waste.
Rating: Groundout to the Right Side with One Out to Move a Runner to Second.

Hermida - Yep.  Insurance policy.
Rating: Game Postponed Due to Rain

Renteria - So, you have decided that you want an aging shortstop who is of, at best, average offensive capability and is, at best, sub-par defensively?  Why didn't you just bring Cabrera back?  Would have saved on uniform costs.
Rating: Strikeout

Lewis - Kinda of the anti-Renteria deal, in both polarity and amplitude.  Not a great player, but one that actually improves the team.
Rating: Walk

Gomes - You left this deal out for some reason.  No matter, I think this is like the Lewis deal, except that he was already here... which means it's status quo.
Rating: Ball Two, Outside.  2-1.


AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
1/25/2011 1:10:55 AM #

I forgot it was an option and not just a straight up two year deal. My bad.

Also, I like your baseball related grades!

rpa
rpa
1/24/2011 11:41:00 PM #

Incidentally, I have decided to watch Zardoz for the first time in forever this evening.

Seriously, how many different drugs was John Boorman on when he put this thing together?  Hard to believe the movie that he did right before this was Deliverance.  I can think of two less-similar projects that anyone could do back-to-back than Zardoz and Deliverance.

There were rumors floating around a couple of years ago that he was going to put together an animated Wizard of Oz.  Yeah, that won't be the least bit strange.

rpa
rpa
1/24/2011 11:56:50 PM #

Oh, for those of you that don't know the joy of Zardoz (and if you've only seen it edited on cable, well, you missed a lot of pointless, casual nudity, some unintended comedy, and... yeah, it makes just as much sense edited down to an hour as it does at its original run time)... uh, this is a very honest review.  I don't agree completely, but it's honest

(warning, spoilers for a 40-year old movie ahead)

http://www.agonybooth.com/recaps/Zardoz_1974.aspx

rpa
rpa
1/25/2011 12:14:22 AM #

Also warnings, I suppose, because that is an "honest" review and recap.  So it's a bit off-color at times.

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
1/25/2011 1:34:48 AM #

DatDudeBP Brandon Phillips
Pujols by far RT @Holmgren34: @DatDudeBP besides guys on cincy who is your player to watch in the NL central this year(not named Albert)

AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
1/25/2011 1:43:09 AM #

Dude. You've got to stop. I can already tell that you following Phillips is going to cause all of our heads to collectively explode under the sheer force of the inanity.

AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
1/25/2011 1:59:20 AM #

It's too late. I'm officially hooked. I'll get you for this Grizz...

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
1/25/2011 8:41:47 AM #

He's just a repository of knowledge!!!!!

Haha I appreciate how open he is on there (it's probably going to even make me like him as a baseball player by overlooking his offensive flaws), but the Reds may want to get him a filter haha.

DocProc
DocProc
1/25/2011 8:26:47 AM #

Loved this starter, Ashland.  My favorite off-season signings are the ones we didn't make.  We didn't give crazy stupid money to any has-been players.  The Renteria deal was my least favorite (mostly because of how it will cost Soft J playing time), but we didn't break the bank.  This is a good young team that is only going to get better, so I'm glad we put our big money in the future and not in the soon-to-be past.

And yes, I keep using "we" in my descriptors.  This is OUR team, doggone it.  Not like the worthless Bengals, whom I'm disowning.

RedFaced
RedFaced
1/25/2011 9:41:28 AM #

Did anyone else see Antonio Cromartie's rant on ESPN last night concerning the NFL collective bargaining BS?   It was a non-coherent garbled mess of nothing but he was sporting a Reds hat the whole time.  Yeah he's likely wearing it as some gang related item but the Reds got a lot of face time during that rant - which was being played way too much last night. Now sure it wasn't a rap video but hey I'll take it.  Perhaps the Reds should contact Hawaii 5-0 producers and try to get one of the leads to wear a Reds hat during the show like Tom Selleck used to wear Tigers hats on Magnum PI.  

RedFaced
RedFaced
1/25/2011 9:48:16 AM #

Found this interesting Reds related tidbit about Tom Selleck off of the MDB web site:  

"While preparing for Mr. Baseball (1992)_, he joined the Detroit Tigers in 1992 for spring training. He actually took an at-bat (as a pinch hitter) in a game against the Cincinnati Reds, facing Reds' pitcher Tim Layana. Selleck ended up striking out after fouling away half a dozen pitches."

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/25/2011 11:08:37 AM #

I saw it and read the transcript for interpretation. I like what he said once I figured it out.

Hope he doesn't have to explain himself to his kids.

Amy
Amy
1/25/2011 10:37:53 AM #

I like this one: DatDudeBP Brandon Phillips
Hands down me, but i think Corky Miller has a chance! Yea I said Corky Miller RT @ryanacra: @DatDudeBP Who is the best dancer on the team?

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/25/2011 11:11:10 AM #

you get just a little dumber every time you read one of his tweets.

We follow morons on twitter while the Indians and Chinese figure out how to make us their pets. Cue Perry Farrell.

Amy
Amy
1/25/2011 10:54:54 AM #

Thanks for the new thread, Ash. As always, you've sparked plenty of conversation!

I *hope* you're wrong on Dontrelle Willis' grade. I know there've already been a few teams that thought they could "fix" him (and were wrong), but...but...there's always the chance. And it's absolutely a low-risk thing.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/25/2011 11:04:34 AM #

Fretting over Willis...yeah he was/is messed up. Other teams tried and failed and we might to but why not try?

For me if he succeeds out of the pen and Bray stays healthy then We can put Chapman in AAA where he belongs. Let him develop that 3rd pitch and improve from the stretch. He still looks like he loses 10 % effectiveness from the stretch. He really needs a little movement on a fastball too. 99 and moving is better than 102 and straight.

btalbert29
btalbert29
1/25/2011 11:25:11 AM #

This is arguably the best situation Willis has come into.  When he first went to Detroit pressure was really high.  He had a lot of expectations and a huge contract to live up to.  I'm not sure of the other stops, but Arizona was a team that was going no where.  The Reds have a nice little situation here.  The players seem to genuinely like eachother and enjoy playing together.  The team had some success and is poised to have even more this year, and he has no expectations to live up to.  This could be the team where he is able to get his head right, and pitch again.  If not, nothing is really lost.  I'm a big fan of this move.

Amy
Amy
1/25/2011 11:30:59 AM #

Okay, one more series of BP tweets, which you may have missed if you weren't following him right at the beginning, but really has to be shared (hey, if *I* read it, the rest of you have to, too)

DatDudeBP Brandon Phillips
"One of da worst feelings in the world is when you got to USE the restroom on the plane! And I'm not talking about #1 either! LOL

DatDudeBP Brandon Phillips
Just Landed!!!! Thank you Lord, now my wish will come true! The BATHROOM!!!!

DatDudeBP Brandon Phillips
Please, don't act like you don't! Sometimes you got to let it go! LOL RT @keeshatl: @DatDudeBP lol ew B.

RedFaced
RedFaced
1/25/2011 11:33:29 AM #

I think I may have been on that flight.  

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/25/2011 11:37:16 AM #

do you think he really thinks you spell the "da" and that "dat"? he saving himself on character. I guess when your DatDude you have to use dat all the time.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/25/2011 11:40:40 AM #

one positive of dese tweets from Dat 2BDude is this maybe an outlet for his need for attention. Maybe he can focus on being a selfless baseball player dude.

Amy
Amy
1/25/2011 11:48:21 AM #

I actually like his tweets. I think they're completely and totally him.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/25/2011 12:06:54 PM #

I have enough trouble adapting to music written after 1997 so this twitter thing is hard for me to accept. I'm just an old curmudgeon in a middle aged body. Kids and their damn tweets and skinny jeans....bah

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
1/25/2011 1:38:25 PM #

Champ,I'm with you. Yeah,I Facebook to keep in touch with old friends and what's going on with current friends, including those of us on FB. I'm not sure about the whole Twitter thing. Do I really care about what somebody I don't know thinks about some random crap? Soccerson and one of his teammates had a pretty cool exchange with Chad Johnson about a game photo of them in the paper,so I guess that's cool, but for the most part it's blah,blah blah blah blah.
There has been a lot of good music since 1997, but you'll never hear most of it on the radio. I'm with you on the skinny jeans thing too. But if the weight loss thing keeps going well, I might get a pair myself. I'd be pretty snappy looking I bet!

Mary
Mary
1/25/2011 1:55:18 PM #

...uh, no NO NO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNPpTz73LPY

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
1/25/2011 4:05:11 PM #

It would be so much worse than that. Not as bad as an NFL nose tackle in his game pants, but bad enough to cause nightmares.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/25/2011 1:58:53 PM #

I do my best to listen to Alt nation on Sirius to stay up with what's new since pop stuff doesn't float my boat but its just to hard to keep up with kids and my talk radio fetish.

Even at my most fit skinny jeans wouldn't work for this physique. I do pray 3 things this season.

The Reds make it to the WS

Soccerdad loses enough to get into skinny jeans

Redfaced get the pic posting up an running so we can see a pic of SD in skinny jeans

Mary
Mary
1/25/2011 2:10:20 PM #

Ya know that pictures can be posted in the starters now, right?  just not in the comments

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/25/2011 2:22:44 PM #

I do recall that now that you mention it. That could be a scary starter though. Yikes!

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
1/25/2011 3:59:16 PM #

When I was in high school in the early-mid 70's, I had to buy my bell bottom jeans one waist size too big to fit over my thighs, and I was in really good shape. The chances of ever seeing me in anything resembling skinny jeans is about the same as Ramon Hernandez leading the league in stolen bases. Believe me,if you ever saw anything like that, your eyes would bleed. The only people I've ever seen wear skinny jeans are those emaciated looking skater kids that wear wool hats in the summer and hang out in front of the local Pizza Hut.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/25/2011 4:20:24 PM #

c'mon...just once

btalbert29
btalbert29
1/25/2011 2:34:42 PM #

I think BP's tweets are hilarious myself, and even though I'm not a Twitter expert, I do enjoy following some people to see what's going on.  As for it being a bunch of pointless stuff, yeah, but most of what people put on Facebook is garbage too.  I'm quite certain Brandon Phillips is spelling Da and Dat just for the hell of it.  If you listen to the guy in interviews, at least to me, it's pretty clear he's not an idiot.  Of course I'm one of the few, it seems, that comments here who actually likes Phillips so I may give him a pass a little bit easier than others.  

VottoLoco
VottoLoco
1/25/2011 3:24:32 PM #

Everything you just said

Amy
Amy
1/25/2011 3:44:34 PM #

I agree. What you see is what you get with him, and I appreciate that.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
1/25/2011 4:02:31 PM #

I like BP personally. I wish he was consistently more focused on the field, but The Little Guy and I have had a couple of great experiences with him. I agree with Amy. There is no pretense. I think he's kind of a big kid himself.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/25/2011 4:14:02 PM #

Just giving the dude a a hard time. It is funny at times. He's not stupid, I just wish people in the US, especially celebs would stop glorifying stupid.

Stupid is not cool and our kids or grandkids will be paying for the stupidification of our once great country.

My reaction to his tweets is just a reaction to all that is stupid in the media.

See how old I look! Crazy!

Smart folks like the ones who visit this board filter through the stupid and see it for what it is. But kids like my almost retarded neighbor think its cool and emulate dumb stuff.

I know that the worlds dumb people find each other anyway and for people like this there little hope anyway but why give them a push.

Dawginnaples
Dawginnaples
1/25/2011 5:23:50 PM #

Champ - Thanks for having the courage to come out on this topic. If I live to be 110, I'll never understand complaining about not being accepted and then doing everything you can (including language, dress, hygiene, etc) to rebel. It's just perpetuating your own anger!

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/25/2011 7:53:12 PM #

what's sad to me are good kids who get caught up in Paris Hilton, Snookie, Tool Academy etc. Most people watch it a guilty pleasure and mock them and laugh at the absurdity but so many others are influenced by them and aspire to be like them...

Mary
Mary
1/25/2011 3:51:24 PM #

  DatDudeBP  Brandon Phillips
@
@johnfayman and thank you for the welcome! I'm not mad at you and we will talk Thursday! Cool?


does this mean the feud is over?

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/25/2011 4:01:47 PM #

Awww! Twitter now bringing people together.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
1/25/2011 4:06:43 PM #

Yoda's owner thinks Willis is ready to come around.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/25/2011 4:16:50 PM #

Does he think its because his head has been in the wrong place or something physical or is he just using his gut.

Man I loved watching Yoda's owner run the bases. As a pretty good base runner he was my first real inspiration before turning to Ricky and ED44.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
1/25/2011 4:35:31 PM #

He said he's getting his head screwed on straight and thinks Price can fix his mechanics, which were a train wreck even when he was going well.  He also said he thinks Stubbs will get 50 steals this year. He loves the way the Reds are put together. He thinks Bruce is going to have a killer year. His dog is quite a runner too. It's a Siberian Husky and can fly. He and my Newfoundland were running around in the snow a couple of days ago and he just wore my beast out.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/25/2011 5:07:24 PM #

fun to hear is opinion. Have to love a husky...Your dog is a beast.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
1/26/2011 10:39:23 AM #

150 lbs. of love ,slobber and fur.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/25/2011 5:05:30 PM #

Jays turn Napoli around to the Rangers so Vlad has one less suitor.

rpa
rpa
1/25/2011 7:08:56 PM #

Everything I said about Napoli in in Tornto goes double in Texas.  He might hit 50 homers down there.

genewv
genewv
1/25/2011 5:10:55 PM #

Thanks Ash for the new thread, thoughts, etc. I was getting blurry-eyed scanning all the way down to where I quit reading the day before.

Since I am still policing the WVU boards, trying to avert a self implosion of the fan base, i don't have much time to joint in all the conversations on here, but I still read you guys and gals. Much appreciate all your stuff. Keeps me connected, if at a distance.

Generically speaking, and without nearly as much info as most of you have labored to take in, read, break down, etc. here is my take on this off-season.

There are teams in the Central that may have taken roads that might make them better this year, may have "gained" on our beloved Reds for this season, even to the point of winning the division over the defending champions ( how good does that sound?! ).

That said, I think WJ and BC, with their off-season moves, non-moves, contract extensions, have better positioned this team to compete over a period of time on a consistent basis than the other teams in the central--as in the next3-5-7 years--thus making us viable for the long haul. I must say I like that much more than just shooting for one really good season, giving up parts that may be a big help down the road, or even in June, if we need some shoring up to make a run to another playoff.  I we will be a player for a long time in the central division. After 10 years of futility, I'll take it.I really got tired of talking about next year in June and July, not enjoying the games in Sept./Oct.

JMO

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/25/2011 5:15:20 PM #

It is nice feeling having the expectation to win.

Next year is now.

genewv
genewv
1/25/2011 5:14:16 PM #

I sure would have sounded better with a edit function.

Anyway, I think most can get through it.

Dawginnaples
Dawginnaples
1/25/2011 5:30:44 PM #

I totally agree with Gene on the long term plan. As Marty Brenneman would say "how we lookin' now? " I also think 2011 is shaping up like many of us thought it would back when Jr and Dunn were packing their stuff. Plan his work, work his plan... that's what WJ is doing.

AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
1/25/2011 5:50:00 PM #

Today, at 2:15, John Fay asked posted something about grading the Reds offseason.

Really Fay? You couldn't have waited a day at least?

Sheesh.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/25/2011 9:33:02 PM #

Seems he threw a C out there just to look impartial. You can't judge an off season by what others do. Keeping up with the jones was unnecessary since we are the jones this year. The Reds filled a couple holes with minor upgrades and feel they are deep enough in their own system to handle issues that arise.

Our competition can't boast about their organizational depth. I may post something on that below.

Amy
Amy
1/25/2011 6:39:43 PM #

I nominate "Next Year Is Now" as our 2011 slogan.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/25/2011 7:54:40 PM #

What moron said that?

DocProc
DocProc
1/25/2011 7:57:31 PM #

I second that nomination.

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
1/25/2011 6:57:01 PM #

HunterPence9 Hunter Pence
by CBSSportsMLB
I wasn’t able to agree with the #Astros on my contract so we will be going to arbitration. I still love yall and can’t wait for the season!


Talk about a franchise that does nothing right.

RedFaced
RedFaced
1/25/2011 7:45:24 PM #

They should just trade him to the Reds now for Alonso straight up.  JMO.  

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/25/2011 8:01:27 PM #

I'll buy that for a dollar

AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
1/25/2011 8:33:15 PM #

I had never seen Robocop until this weekend. No joke.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/25/2011 8:45:31 PM #

that is an odd coincidence for sure...I can't believe I referenced it.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/25/2011 9:04:31 PM #

All this twitter talk today made me check in on a certain someone.

Verified. Still an A-hole.

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
1/25/2011 9:08:29 PM #

You're wrong about that and life sucks and the future is bleak now let me tell you why......

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/25/2011 9:11:49 PM #

Still trying to understand the link to Lancaster's article. It was pretty pro-reds off season?

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
1/25/2011 9:17:34 PM #

Yeah, I read that the other day, when I in passing I was late night bored and was checking out the feed.

The Lancaster article most definitely implies that there is a good shot that things in Cincy may be turning around, attendance and results wise (and thus is a pretty strong deviation from the tweets that came before it).

I mean, the only parts that aren't blatantly pro-Reds or implied future good news for the Reds are the statements that the rest of the Central has improved enough to compete w/ them, which I think is kind of false. Milwaukee is not 14+ wins better, St. Louis still has no depth anywhere, and the Cubs are still the Cubs. Definitely not a good division.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/25/2011 9:28:27 PM #

that's what I thought I read.

DocProc
DocProc
1/25/2011 9:17:05 PM #

[Shudder]

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/25/2011 9:25:51 PM #

I didn't comment on Renteria or Cueto in my earlier post yesterday because I was and still am trying to digest them.

I am still conflicted on Renteria. By all accounts having a veteran presence at SS was a good thing last year. I do fear the temptation to over use him an bury Janish for half a season again. What he brings to the team in leadership and championship experience will hopefully offset my fears. I do think there is a little left in the tank and should be interchangeable in a line up spot with Janish. I think Janish can be every bit as good as Jason Bartlett who was not all that special as far as I'm concerned.

I think back to what RPA? said about creating a value for Janish. He's not a long term guy with SS in the pipeline but lets get something for him. Lets not deal him in a Keppinger like deal to clear a roster spot.

On JC, I was a bit shocked at the deal. With a position player I am more comfortable but with a hard throwing pitcher a deal like this certainly has risk. If he continues to progress the arb number could get very big and this insulates them from that but he is the unpredictable Cueto.

The deal is a concern. I'm not going to blast it because it could go either way. I may have felt better if we had given it one more season.

Some idiots may ask the question why are we doing this and no one else is? Maybe its because we feel we have the players to do it with? How many other teams can boast bringing so many young potential starts to the bigs all at once?

With some people the reds are damned if they do and damned if they don't.

All in all I respect the balzy moves and i hope they work out for us. There's a little Vegas in WJ but not too much. He is gambling with players he and his coaches know. They raised them from babies. They see the progressions. We have to trust that they know what they are doing.

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
1/25/2011 9:34:22 PM #

On your last paragraph. I've been reading some that Jocketty made these exact same mistakes in St. Louis, signing young guys rather than going to arb. And then they argue that this creates no amount of loyalty to the franchise.

Don't most writers make a point of saying how great of a place St. Louis was to play since the late 90s? Was it a great place to play b/c Walt Jocketty took care of guys or b/c St. Louis was such a great city?

Would you rather be a part of a business that took care of you or treated you like a #? Which one would you work harder for?

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/25/2011 9:52:53 PM #

Guys come back and play for him. Look a the Bengals...look at the Reds.

Two totally different philosophies.

On generosity, I work for a pretty generous person who is loyal to me and I am part of his family. It would take a big check to get me to leave and I'm not sure that would work.

Maybe Votto will walk, maybe Cueto will flake out but they won't leave because the organization treated them poorly. To some it may seem naive but I like it. Loyalty is where its at for me.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/25/2011 9:47:58 PM #

I was discussing organizational depth with myself a little earlier when i was thinking about what teams in the central did to improve. We made few moves because we have a pretty locked in roster that plays well together and there is a budget.

We all would have liked a move for a Jacob Ellsbury or Brett Gardner type and a bona fide # 1 would have been great too. Either move would have made the off season an A grade. Outside of those moves most others seemed like lateral moves.

Just consider the number of legit starters we have that can offer a quality start. The bullpen depth is very good at AAA with either Jordan Smith or Burton working in AAA along with a couple nice arms that come up from AA like Horst and Jukich.

Anyone goes down at the big league level there is a legit ML quality prospect to fill in. Now a extended stay on the DL might hurt us but 15 to 30 days we can manage better than most.

Alonso, Valaika, Cozart, Francisco, Mes, Frazier, Hermida and Sappelt should all have major league careers somewhere.

Who can say that about AAA? Our back door is covered. I up the grade for not making certain moves. Wait and see and then go all in. I'm sure walt was tempted last year but he probably felt the team just wasn't quite ready for an all in type of move. Maybe this year, maybe next. He's hanging on to those prospects for the right moment.

VottoLoco
VottoLoco
1/25/2011 9:52:00 PM #

One of the possible intangibles of signing Votto, Bruce, and particularly Cueto to multi-year deals is that it shows the young talent the Reds have that performance is rewarded.  Do you want Bailey and Volquez to get their heads on straight?  Show them that they'll get the paycheck when they put up the numbers.  And if they keep the pattern going, then it will continue to motivate the future talent currently working their way up through the minors.  This is the culture that's being fostered in the organization right now, and I don't think you can put a price tag on it.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/25/2011 9:53:37 PM #

I'll buy that for a dollar.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/25/2011 9:55:57 PM #

I hate posting long comments. I feel no one will read them. I feel that way because sometimes I pass on the long posts.

My reds october resolution is read everyones long posts. even RPA's when he seems to be on a 72 hour work bender.

Amy
Amy
1/25/2011 10:30:22 PM #

"Work bender" makes me sad. No one should go on a WORK bender.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
1/26/2011 10:37:57 AM #

I used to go on those, but I stopped. I didn't even have a 12 step program or meetings or anything like that. I had kids instead.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/25/2011 11:26:31 PM #

Its part of life but RPA seems to go to the extreme. I need a spring baseball bender.

rpa
rpa
1/26/2011 7:04:16 AM #

I've really never been good at moderation when it comes to anything.  I'm trying to get better about that.

In the meantime I've set a new rule for myself - no more working past 8:00 PM.  Puts me in a bad mood.  We will see how long it lasts.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/26/2011 9:18:06 AM #

i need that rule but with kids I have to stop working at 5:30 and then go back after 9

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
1/26/2011 12:08:33 AM #

news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110126/us_nm/us_rhino_baby

Rare black rhino born at St. Louis zoo. Chris Carpenter's son wants to know why they haven't named it Jo-eh yet, in honor of the league MVP.

AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
1/26/2011 2:15:00 AM #

I can't remember a time that I didn't read everyone's posts. I think I have too much time on my hands.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/26/2011 9:17:07 AM #

Dude...I try but I just find myself wondering during long posts...

Total ADD

btalbert25
btalbert25
1/26/2011 10:06:52 AM #

I remember this time last year arguing with friends about the direction the Reds were heading.  They all told me well in 2009 they won when it didn't matter.  They would argue with me that the Bengals were on the right path and they'd believe it when they saw it with the Reds.  I heard all kinds of stuff about how the Bengals had the players and a plan that works.  They had much more potential.  I argued that with Brown at the helm any success with them is fools gold, the Reds were building something that was going to be special. The would argue the Reds couldn't compete in the unfair system that is baseball where only the rich can survive.  I argued that in the NFL, even though it's equal, the same teams are typically good and the bad teams are usually the same group.  

OHHHHHHH what a difference a year can make.  I am the type to say I told you so, and believe me a I did.  It's not to say the Reds will win the division again or their won't be unexpected injuries and bumps in the road.  Las season may have won some people over, but there are still doubters in the ranks.  However, if this team has a lead or is in contention come the All Star break I think everyone is going to be fully back on the bandwagon.  Attendance will climb, TV ratings are going to continue to be good and I think you'll see quite a spike in revenue with this club.  

The Reds are about to join the Twins, and other smaller or midsize market teams that show you can sustain success. It takes time to build a farm system that was in shambles.  The front office is finally strong from top to bottom.  Now that we don't have the Marge Schott, Jim Bowden, Carl Lindner, and John Allen's of the world running this franchise, we can finally see it flourish.  This team was not hampered by the curse of being in a small market.  This team was held down by mismanagement and poor ownership.

btalbert25
btalbert25
1/26/2011 10:09:20 AM #

D'oh, I hate when I don't have my info in right and miss out on my awesome ED44 magnum Gravitar.

btalbert25
btalbert25
1/26/2011 10:10:04 AM #

LoL, and it's funny I had such a long post after the conversation about long posts before it.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/26/2011 11:09:37 AM #

I read it too and I feel you are right about the bandwagon.

I hope for attendance sake we get off to above average start.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/26/2011 12:03:56 PM #

I took a snippet of this article to point out the good in our off season. The idea has its detractors but if we can be the mid 90's Indians then lets keep doing what we're doing.

By Dan Szymborski
Special to ESPN Insider

Twenty years ago, the Cleveland Indians found themselves in desperate straits; the team was known enough for its futility to have a movie based on its story, and the finances were so weak that even Bill James said the organization was hopeless.

In 1991, John Hart replaced Hank Peters as GM of the Indians, and instead of simply letting the team tread water at the bottom of the division, Hart aggressively rebuilt the franchise, locking up the team's young core to long-term contracts.

Not only did Hart's long-term planning result in a turnaround of the franchise (six divisional titles and two World Series appearances during Hart's Cleveland stint), but it helped change the way teams thought about young players and long-term contracts.

Since then, signing a young player to a long-term contract several years before he hits free agency is common. Recently, the Colorado Rockies locked up Troy Tulowitzki and Carlos Gonzalez until at least 2020 and 2017, respectively, and the Cincinnati Reds inked NL MVP Joey Votto to a three-year, $38 million contract. In 2008, the Tampa Bay Rays didn't even wait until Evan Longoria's second week in the majors to sign him to a six-year deal with three club options, a contract now regarded as one of the best deals around. And Albert Pujols's seven-year, $100 million contract turned out to be a great deal for the St. Louis Cardinals.

So who are some of the young players teams should be looking to sign now? For each player, I asked ZiPS to estimate, based on projections, up to what dollar figure a long-term contract remains a good idea for the team.

Figuring out the potential salary of free-agent years is pretty straightforward. Right now, the general consensus is that a win on the open market is worth about $4.5 million. For future years, I'm being conservative and assuming that this number increases by 5 percent a year, actually a bit below the usual growth rate. For example, that makes a win in 2013 worth just under $5 million and about $6 million for 2017.

Estimating arbitration awards is a little trickier. In the early days of salary arbitration, more cases went to an arbitrator than do nowadays. Arbitration can be a messy process and has caused bad feelings between teams and players in the past -- teams are, after all, attempting to place as poor a spin on a player's performance as possible -- so both parties try to avoid arbitration hearings nowadays. A typical player is eligible for salary arbitration for three seasons (players with three to five years of service time) with the top 17 percent of Year 2 players in service time getting a fourth year of arbitration.

Historically, arbitration awards for the three years of arbitration are roughly 40 percent, 60 percent and 80 percent of a player's value on the open market.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/26/2011 12:05:23 PM #

Take a read and if the MOD's want to delete it I understand. If I posted the link most of us couldn't read it.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/26/2011 12:07:18 PM #

It gives some added insight into the arb process, something we've discussed at length and he spells it out pretty clearly.

AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
1/26/2011 12:28:39 PM #

You're under arrest, Champ, for internet related crimes. Your sentence is new thread starter detailing, game by game, the Corey Patterson era.

We expect your new starter by Friday.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/26/2011 12:33:26 PM #

that could quite possibly be one of the most painful assignments one could ever conceive. Only an evil mind could comprehend such torture.

Mary
Mary
1/26/2011 1:10:21 PM #

for sure--that's why we asked him to be another moderator

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/26/2011 12:17:41 PM #

In the article he suggests the numbers these guys should expect. Pretty interesting stuff. Hard to argue that these guys have made the case to be locked up before arbitration although I would wait until they are eligible or reach super 2. Its suggested that these guys should lock up now. They all have a year or more before being arb eligible.

Mike Stanton, Florida Marlins

Adam Jones, Baltimore Orioles

Colby Rasmus, St. Louis Cardinals

Andrew McCutchen, Pittsburgh Pirates

Tommy Hanson, Atlanta Braves
ZiPS suggests this pitcher get a 5 year 40mil buy out of his arb

Elvis Andrus, Texas Rangers

Buster Posey, San Francisco Giants


Jason Heyward, Atlanta Braves

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/26/2011 12:31:45 PM #

Just read a great piece by Matt Meyers on ESPN as well. He discusses the obvious options the Cards have with Albert.

One thing Carp will have to explain to his son is if the Cards sign Uncle Albert then daddy will be wearing a new uniform. He has a 15 mil option in 2012 that won't be picked up. He could be a deadline deal this season!

One other crazy scenario he threw out there was the Albert at the deadline deal. Everyone thinks Boston and NYY would be out of the running but he suggests Boston is not. He thinks AGon's future extension would be digestible by STL and could allow that deal to be done at the deadline.

With AGon's deal being similar to Ryan Howard's deal, you'd have to think they could pick up that Carp option.

This all relies on AGon signing a deal without a no trade clause or signing one with and then agreeing to waive it to go to STL.

Something to chew on.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/26/2011 12:42:03 PM #

A couple notes to pass along.

One of my favorite guys in baseball, someone I've run into a couple times in the past, Rocco Baldelli is retiring. He was a lot of fun to watch and always down to earth. He used to come around my customers store in St Pete.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/26/2011 12:44:59 PM #

the other thing is it looks like Micah Owings found a home. He's back with the D-Backs and looking to pitch. Sounds like Gibson has other plans with the bat.

I want to see him use his bat and succeed(not against us please).

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/26/2011 12:47:49 PM #

Fayman...ahead of the curve again. He doesn't even bring up his rift?

cincinnati.com/.../

AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
1/26/2011 1:02:15 PM #

Is it possible the Fay lurks at Reds October and only posts what we do?

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/26/2011 1:11:15 PM #

that would be great

AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
1/26/2011 1:03:51 PM #

Hey look! I made Jamie Ramsey's 'Tattoosday' and Reds October got a mention:

ramsey.mlblogs.com/.../reds-tatoosday-12611.html

Amy
Amy
1/26/2011 4:11:54 PM #

Dude! You're famous!! Some of these tattoos are outta hand--how long does it take to get your ENTIRE arm done like that?

AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
1/26/2011 4:46:38 PM #

Awhile. As in, I'd say 12-15 hours spread out over a handful of sessions.

And while we're here, I'm by no means a tattoo expert, but as someone who has around 30 hours worth of tattooing on him, a word of advice: you get what you pay for. There's some really, REALLY bad tattoo work out there, and nine times out of ten, it's because people want to go cheap. Here's the deal: it's permanent. If there's anything to pay a few extra bucks for, it's a permanent scar that will forever be a part of your body.

Mary
Mary
1/26/2011 2:04:44 PM #


CincinnatiReds Cincinnati Reds
RHP Johnny Cueto avoids arbitration by signing a 4-year contract through the 2014 season with a club option for 2015.


I guess it's official now--I do rather like club options (as long as the buyout is not too steep in case it needs to be declined by the time that year comes along)

Dawginnaples
Dawginnaples
1/26/2011 3:46:51 PM #

Looking at some stats for Dontrelle and I was surprised to see he led the league in starts in 2007 with 35. That also was the year his stats went south. Did he pitch for Dusty Baker that year? I can't help but feel that this signing helps to demonstrate the Reds single biggest hole. I think it is a gaping one. LH relief pitcher. With the Colossus mowing 'em down in a different town, who's the go to guy in the 7th or 8th against a good LH bat? Bill Bray? Lord help us if that is the case. Chapman? Not if there are already base runners. I think this is one area where WJ still has a little work to do.

AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
1/26/2011 3:57:09 PM #

Bill Bray was actually better against LH last year than Rhodes was:

LH vs. Bray: .106/.208/.298
LG vs. Rhodes: .214/.230/.393

Bray is fantastic as a LOOGY.

Dawginnaples
Dawginnaples
1/26/2011 4:03:38 PM #

Maybe it's just the distorted memory patterns of an old geezer, but didn't Rhodes draw the majority of tough lefties in critical situations?

AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
1/26/2011 4:24:25 PM #

Guys Bray got out last year:

Adam Dunn. Chase Utley. Prince Fielder. Raul Ibanez. Stephen Drew. Jason Heyward. Brian McCann. Seth Smith. Pedro Alvarez. Carlos Gonzalez. Todd Helton. Garrett Jones.

Rhodes pitched more (he faced 89 lefties to 53 for Bray), but he was fine last year. As long as Dusty doesn't expose him to too many right handers, he'll be fine.

Dawginnaples
Dawginnaples
1/26/2011 5:45:23 PM #

Sure, but with runners on in the 7th or 8th inning, Bray rarely got the call. That is, in comparison to Rhodes. I'll also guess that the majority of the rare occassions he did were while Arthur was nursing his plantar fasci... hurt foot.Smile

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
1/26/2011 4:02:14 PM #

apjoekay Joe Kay
Cueto gets salaries of $3.4m, $5.4m, $7.4m and $10m. #Reds have option for 2015 at $10m with $800,000 buyout.


2 years at 20 mil for Cueto? Not bad.

AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
1/26/2011 4:03:26 PM #

It's even better than I thought. Cueto gets an A- now.

Amy
Amy
1/26/2011 4:21:12 PM #

Unrelated, but it's never uninteresting to read about White Castle. The bit about the Brueghel painting is my favorite.

www.utne.com/.../...ian-Observes-White-Castle.aspx

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
1/26/2011 4:56:51 PM #

My dad was a cop. When I was a kid he'd bring home a bag of White Castles once a week or so when he worked 2nd shift. I loved those tasty little critters then and I love them now. I can't get my kids except Soccerson to eat them. He and I almost had Christmas dinner there a few years ago as we were driving to a soccer tournament in Orlando at Disney. We thought better of it and went to Waffle House instead. Good times,good times!

Amy
Amy
1/26/2011 5:00:28 PM #

White Castle was grad school food. (There was no White Castle where I went to undergrad--very sad.) When we had a decent amount of money, we went to Steak & Shake--when we did not, we had sliders. Yep, good times.

DocProc
DocProc
1/26/2011 5:12:16 PM #

Still love me some sliders.  Lots of fun memories of picking up a sackful in Newport so my sons and I could munch on them on our way home from Reds games.

AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
1/26/2011 5:16:24 PM #

White Castle rules. It gives me diarrhea every time, but it's completely worth it.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
1/26/2011 5:13:33 PM #

A Waffle House in rural,mountainous northern Tennessee on Christmas night should be experienced by everyone.
There is a White Castle not too far from my house. It just doesn't feel right.It's just off the exit on I-71. A White Castle belongs in a seedy,slightly dangerous part of town to have the proper ambiance.

Dawginnaples
Dawginnaples
1/26/2011 5:41:03 PM #

No White Castle in south Florida. On bi-annual trips back to Cincinnati, I rarely make it to my destination without stopping for a sack full of goodness. It doesn't matter if it's 8am or 8pm or midnight. I have to have me some belly bombers.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
1/26/2011 6:27:08 PM #

I might need to grab a few tomorrow. If you go to the White Castle website, you can order a White Castle burger scented candle. What room would you put that thing in?

Amy
Amy
1/26/2011 6:29:20 PM #

The bathroom seems the obvious choice.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/26/2011 7:53:07 PM #

At a trade show in Louisville there was one on the walk back to the hotel from the downtown party sector.

I made my room mate sick. After night 3 he couldn't hang. His belly was used to the amateurish Krystal burgers

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
1/26/2011 7:27:00 PM #

“Both renewals and new ticket sales are up significantly,” he said. “We’ll have a better number when we get closer to Opening Day. But I’d say both are up at least 10 percent. You’d like them to be up 100 percent. But we’re still fighting a tough economy.”

cincinnati.com/.../

Yay!

rpa
rpa
1/26/2011 8:33:43 PM #

Yay, indeed.

Amazing what winning will do, huh?  They raise the ticket prices and yet more people want them because the team is worth watching.  Guess this fan base isn't as crappy as some folks make it out to be.

rpa
rpa
1/26/2011 8:38:25 PM #

re: White Castles

For some reason, back when I ate such things, they never made me sick.  That used to be my road-trip food.   Grab a dozen of those and a 213420854 oz. Mountain Dew and I could drive for about 16 hours, maybe with a stop to use the restroom thanks to the giant Mountain Dew and to buy an air freshener to get the god-awful onion and grease smell out of the car.

I bet they would make me sick now.  I bet the smell of them in the car would probably make me nauseous.

I hardly ever eat red meat these days at all, every time I feel like eating a burger or a steak or something and I get one, I feel sick for 2 or 3 days.  Bleh.

DocProc
DocProc
1/26/2011 8:45:23 PM #

Could. Not. Live. Without. Red. Meat.

DocProc
DocProc
1/26/2011 8:45:59 PM #

Or at least I wouldn't want to.

rpa
rpa
1/26/2011 9:08:10 PM #

I was never much of a steak guy.  Do like a good burger now and then, but I always regret it after I eat it.

My wife has a peculiar theory about eating animals, she basically has decided which animals are intelligent enough not to eat and which ones are dumb enough that she doesn't care.  That means no beef or pork, fish and fowl are on the menu.

No complaints from me, but now I'm so unaccustomed to beef especially that it just does a number on me when I eat it.  Pork doesn't, for some reason, yet I rarely ate ham or pork chops or ribs in the first place.  I do like bacon well enough, and the occasional pulled pork sandwich.  Those don't seem to bother me, for some reason.

The main reasons I can't go along with the no-pork diet:
1) Pizza without pepperoni?  Ha!
2) Andouille.  Too many awesome dishes just can't be made correctly without it.

rpa
rpa
1/26/2011 9:10:02 PM #

I guess if there are any food snobs around here, I should say "cajun-style" andouille, not the nasty french stuff they make out of intestines and whatnot.

Amy
Amy
1/26/2011 9:25:00 PM #

mmm...andouille...I *just* found out about a Creole take-out place in a crappy part of town that I cannot wait to get food from.

Amy
Amy
1/26/2011 9:33:37 PM #

Look. Just look.
http://www.creolekitchen.biz/menu-two.html

Dawginnaples
Dawginnaples
1/26/2011 10:12:15 PM #

Mmmmmmmm! Some real gumbo and etouffee. One question?
What is tilipia?  Smile
Some friends of ours have a crawfish boil every year to celebrate their anniversary. 275 lbs of crawfish dissapear in one night. Along with a couple bags of shrooms, a couple bags of peppers, a couple cases of citrus, 25 lbs of andouille, and a couple beers. Good times. Cajuns know how to feast.

rpa
rpa
1/26/2011 10:31:01 PM #

Honestly, I used to eat crawfish.  Not sure I could do it on shrooms.  These days, any food that I can tell what part of an animal it came from kinda freaks me out.

Bug-like food and shrooms?  Nah..

Oh, wait... I don't think that's what you meant.

Never mind,  Forget I said anything.

rpa
rpa
1/26/2011 10:18:51 PM #

Oh, it's a marginally crappy part of town.  Not that bad if the food is good enough (unless things have changed a lot in the last... geez, I haven't lived in Columbus a long time.  has it really been 11 years?).

My favorite place ever is still in Columbus, more or less.  I assume it's still there.  Haven't been there for four or five years, but I really love this place.  Lots of good stuff.  Definite Carribean influence to the food (mmm... fried plantains...).  A little divey but I never had a bad meal there.  They still have a website, which is a good sign.

http://starlinerdiner.com/





Amy
Amy
1/26/2011 10:40:16 PM #

Great, another one for the list! And I'm only going by my friend's husband's definition of the area--he's in the Columbus PD. He may have a stricter definition of crappy than the rest of us.

Mary
Mary
1/26/2011 10:19:34 PM #

This is where I head when I crave some spicy Cajun food  http://www.ragincajun.com/menudinner.html

rpa
rpa
1/26/2011 10:31:55 PM #

That seems like a long way to go for some cajun food for me.

Hmm... nah.  Too far.

Redwakeup
Redwakeup
1/26/2011 10:32:48 PM #

Sounds like my kinda place. I love Cajun food. I had a friend in my first job after college that was from Louisiana. She taught me to make authentic Gumbo and Jambalya. All of my friends over the years that have tried my version of Gumbo think that I learned well. I have to agree, I make a mean gumbo. It has that heat that doesn't hit you until about 3-4 seconds after your first bite.

Amy
Amy
1/26/2011 10:42:42 PM #

Clearly we need a RO party. You bring gumbo, Ashland can bring a Bacon Explosion.

rpa
rpa
1/26/2011 10:19:53 PM #

Thanks for the link, though.  If I ever make it back to Columbus (it seems like everyone I ever knew there has left) I will totally be checking that out.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
1/26/2011 10:34:49 PM #

Is Katzingers still open in German Village?

Amy
Amy
1/26/2011 10:37:59 PM #

Yep, I haven't been there, though. It's on my list. I think it might take me 5 years to hit all the places on my list.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
1/27/2011 1:21:56 AM #

You gotta go! It's maybe the best deli sandwiches I've ever eaten.

RedFaced
RedFaced
1/26/2011 10:13:09 PM #

RedFaced

re: White Castles

I've been in business for myself for 10 years now and about 5 years ago 2 or 3 of us would have all night programming sessions at the office or perhaps some late night building expansion work and we'd often make late-night treks to White Castle.  We got in the habit of collecting all of the empty boxes (with left-over onion residue) and placing them in the trash can of one of the other unsuspecting office staff who wasn't working late with us.  Always a welcome smell first thing in the a.m. to walk into your closed office and get a whiff of slider residue.  We often did it to the same guy every night just because he would make a big fuss about it.  Heck, I think he was often the motivation to go to White Castle most nights.  

rpa
rpa
1/26/2011 10:32:21 PM #

The incentive to work late is not coming in the next morning to the White Castle smell.  I can dig it.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
1/26/2011 10:32:37 PM #

That's great! I live to do that kind of stuff,which is one reason I didn't fit in a corporate world.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
1/26/2011 10:36:44 PM #

All of this food talk is killing me. I'm going to go have something that's good for me before I fall of the healthy wagon.

RedFaced
RedFaced
1/26/2011 10:59:39 PM #

By the way, I do like the Cueto contract better now that I see the break down.  I mean really no more than $10MM any one year is pretty good for what the Reds got from Cueto last year.  I fully expect to get better than that from him next year.  A second year with Price I feel will do Johnny a lot of good.  I also like the team option year with a very low $800K buyout.  Not to mention Johnny has become almost as dependable as Bronson, 30 starts each of the last 3 seasons and except for minor arm fatigue he's been relatively healthy.  

Of course who knows how long he would have missed had he just laid there up against the netting and let LaRue and the rest of the Cardinal Crew crush him instead of defending himself like any other person would have likely done.  

RedFaced
RedFaced
1/26/2011 11:08:53 PM #

Saw this in Mark Sheldon's write up of the Cueto deal:

"After the pitcher's physical, Jocketty said team medical director Dr. Tim Kremchek told him that Cueto was in the best physical shape he's ever seen him. "

If that is accurate I'd say it bodes well for the Reds 2011 opening day starter.  

RedFaced
RedFaced
1/26/2011 11:12:30 PM #

I'll be taking in the Reds Caravan Saturday in Bowling Green, KY.  Bruce, Uncle Walt, Phil Castellini, Yasmani Grandal and Tom Browning are scheduled to be there.  I'll try to get some pics and give you all a report.  

AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
1/26/2011 11:26:05 PM #

Thanks! That'll be a great starter!

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
1/26/2011 11:32:26 PM #

DatDudeBP Brandon Phillips
Todd Frazier said if he doesn't make the team out of spring he is goin to be a male cheerleader at UC!

AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
1/26/2011 11:34:27 PM #

I get the impression that Phillips is the most popular guy in the clubhouse. Rolen and Votto probably want to trade him several times a day. But everyone else? They probably love him. He really seems to have a connection with every guy there, even the guys no one else thinks of.

RedFaced
RedFaced
1/26/2011 11:39:33 PM #

Before the Renteria signing I thought Frazier had a chance to make the club out of Spring but the reality is that he needs a solid first half at Louisville to make up for the lousy first half he had last year.  I would love to see Frazier hit next year like he has in the past (except for the first half of last year) and be the backup for Rolen.  Of anyone in AAA I like Frazier's chances of taking over for Rolen much better than anyone else.  He's also one of the better hitters in the system.  He'd make a good 2-hole hitter one day I suspect.  

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
1/26/2011 11:42:45 PM #

RedFaced

"Before the Renteria signing I thought Frazier had a chance to make the club out of Spring but the reality is that he needs a solid first half at Louisville to make up for the lousy first half he had last year.  I would love to see Frazier hit next year like he has in the past (except for the first half of last year) and be the backup for Rolen.  Of anyone in AAA I like Frazier's chances of taking over for Rolen much better than anyone else.  He's also one of the better hitters in the system.  He'd make a good 2-hole hitter one day I suspect."

See male cheerleader comment above.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/26/2011 11:49:28 PM #

nice

RedFaced
RedFaced
1/26/2011 11:56:47 PM #

LOL, now that's good stuff.

DocProc
DocProc
1/27/2011 8:38:39 AM #

I literally laughed out loud.  Thanks.

Dawginnaples
Dawginnaples
1/27/2011 3:00:29 PM #

ditto

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/26/2011 11:52:46 PM #

I have to get in on a couple things here.

Frazier could have a great spring and surprise everyone. He is 25. I still think no matter what he does only an injury will put him on the opening day roster. If he gets off to a fast start at AAA then someone will be looking for a job elsewhere.

He is Rolen's replacement and if he's hitting I think he gets the call if Francisco keeps kicking it around and Rolen misses any time.

RedFaced
RedFaced
1/27/2011 12:01:21 AM #

Frazier has a heck of a bat and good head on his shoulders.  I really felt 2 years ago that he was the best pure hitter in the farm system. I hated to see him struggle last year but I think he's a kid who will figure it out.  He's closer to Votto's work ethic than most other players are.  The issue is where to stick him in the field.  The Reds have tried to make him an outfielder and he's seen time at 2B also.  He came up a SS but he'll never make it there.  I still say he's more of a 3B than anything but I could see him getting outfield duty also.  He can play just about any position really and could play SS in a pinch if the Reds needed him to do so.  

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/27/2011 12:16:10 AM #

its been so long since he played SS but I'm sure he could handle it. I still remember him from that Toms River team.

I've followed his progress closely as well and his trip to the OF is a testament to the type of athlete he is. He is out there for one reason. Guys like Francisco and Valaika can't play anywhere else. He got moved and has taken to it well. I really hope he is the player I saw late last season in AAA.

Remember we were handicapped by the 40 man last year and thats why we didn't see him. He's on it now so I expect to see him by July.

RedFaced
RedFaced
1/27/2011 12:36:06 AM #

I'd say we missed seeing Cozart last year for the same 40-man issues you mention.  I'd like to see both in a Reds uni some next year.  

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/27/2011 12:10:58 AM #

The other thing...the Cajun food. New Orleans just might be my favorite place to eat. I have been there so many times and had so many great experiences. Orlando doesn't have much to offer. All my old joints have closed so I'm jonesing a bit.

I do have a story. I had an opportunity to go to Grand Isle LA with a large family from Baton Rouge for a Labor day weekend. The tourists were assigned cajun names for the weekend. I was Hebert. We all stood in the gulf with floating coolers of Abita and a football for hours. The second night we were treated to the most amazing eating experience of my life.

I walked to the camp and there was a double wide. One side for living/sleeping and one side for eating. There were picnic tables lined up long ways from one end of the tornado magnet to the other.

A few of the guys had disappeared for a while and they came back with buckets of fresh gulf shrip(crawfish out of season). There were two giant pots on the fire and in went the shrimp.

Next thing I know they are carting in tubs of shrimp, corn on the cob, red potatoes and dumped them on the tables from end to end. I was a very unsophisticated and uncultured 24 year old who had never seen this before.

I could not stop eating and drinking. From that point I was hooked. The next morning I awoke to the smell of a loaded pot of Gumbo filled with the uneaten shrimp, Andouille and scallops...wow! I was hooked forever.

There were many other unspeakable parts to that trip to make is ultra memorable but the food tops them all.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/27/2011 12:29:57 AM #

ESPN's resident tool Keith Law has rated the minor league systems. The top 2 are obvious but the Reds came in 8th. He gave more weight to high impact prospects than he did organizational depth(which is our strength).

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/27/2011 12:31:47 AM #

four of our division mates rank in the bottom third. Cards finish 14th.

rpa
rpa
1/27/2011 12:39:46 AM #

This is what I've been saying about the Cards' and Brewers' off-seasons ... they have mortgaged their futures.   The Reds have an advantage in terms of minor league talent.

RedFaced
RedFaced
1/27/2011 12:37:15 AM #

Pitchers and Catchers report in 20 days!!

rpa
rpa
1/27/2011 2:23:20 AM #

Bah,  took me about two days to break a rule.  Work sucks.  Is it legal to kill someone, justifiable homicide, if you hate them?  A lot?  Like more than anyone, ever?  If they are your boss?

Meh.


Apropos of nothing, I was looking for a decent recording of one of my favorite Michael Penn songs.

Instead I found this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYFd6f8ifdA

Pretty crappy.  But It's not like there's a recording of Mr. Hollywood Jr, 1947 that I can point folks to.

How did this guy get all of the talent in the family?


When I used to have the energy and time to do music, I got asked occasionally whose voice I would want to borrow to record something because I always griped about my singing voice.  I usually chose Michael Penn.

Sometimes, I said Matthew Sweet.  Because, hey...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wSQ8McCcuM

Ignore everything about that video except the music.   Seriously.  Making that song about "immortal" "vampires" totally misses the point. The damned song is about mortality.  Gah.   To channel Craig Ferguson for a moment, I miss when vampires were scary instead of fey.  Grrrrr...   The song is about something so purely human, the whole vampire thing is kind of an insult.  I wish I could find something else to post, but Matthew Sweet seems to be sadly forgotten.  And that's too bad.  His two best records barely got released in the states at all.  Actually, did anyone other than me get a copy of Kimi Ga Suki Raifu?  I guess Japan got him more than anyone else.  Oh well, our loss.  At least some people heard this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRF_qOJfaDs

I used to be in a band, and I actually talked them into covering this.   Except they made me sing it.   I wasn't embarrassed when my voice cracked trying to pull this off.  No mortal could actually do it, after all.   Yeah, a great voice.  I didn't have it.  I liked the song enough to try it anyways.


But, these days, I've decided that beauty is in the eye of the beholder.  So, you know, Jeff Mangum is my hero these days.  There's even less of him, even in this age of instant video on demand, that exists while he is singing... really, most of it doesn't capture things the way they were, before he went back into hiding.  So this is better, even though it's just a studio recording.  Even with slightly incorrect lyrics?  Who knows.  This song made more sense than any of them, and even this was was inscrutable.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCjpbjCH5L0&fmt=18

It's like a raw nerve.  I don't really like to talk about that record.  But people wrote little books about it:

www.amazon.com/.../082641690X

Whatever.  A book?  Really?  Not even close.  Can you put this on paper?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2jkyuT8unw

I think not.


So, I guess I am saying, one of these days, I am going to quit my day job and make some more music.  Heh.

Until then, more spreadsheets.  Always more spreadsheets.   Always more rambling while I am taking a break.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/27/2011 8:57:31 AM #

Well the musician part explains the music. The musicians I know are always so into music no one listens to. They idolize someone talented that never got a break or is under appreciated. I think only a person who writes o plays music can truly appreciate certain artists.

We used to hang around some guys from an orlando band called VonRa and they always kept us in the loop of what we were supposed to like. Sometimes I just didn't get it.

As for Matthew Sweet, there is no real avenue for guys like him to get his stuff out there except for touring and the internet. You usually have to be looking for him to find him.

I'll admit after Girlfriend and Sick of Myself I never really cared to listen. Yup, sometimes it just the hits for some people.

Amy
Amy
1/27/2011 9:30:39 AM #

I love Matthew Sweet. Awesome to wake up to those this morning.

DocProc
DocProc
1/27/2011 8:49:33 AM #

Wow, lots of postings since I last logged in.  I missed the convo on Cajun food, so I need to make my own recommendation.  It's called Knotty Pine on the Bayou, and it's about ten minutes from my house in Northern Kentucky (about 20 minutes south of GABP, if you're in town for a ballgame).  It might be my favorite restaurant in Greater Cincinnati.  The restaurant's website appears to be down, but here's a review:

www.citybeat.com/.../...tty-pine-on-the-bayou.html

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/27/2011 9:03:21 AM #

seems I need to live just about anywhere but here to get my cajun fix.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/27/2011 9:03:49 AM #

at this point Popeye's is my only choice...ugh

DocProc
DocProc
1/27/2011 9:04:49 AM #

As a follow-up, I noticed these comments in the review I posted.  The is exactly what I order every time I go to Knotty Pine:

I decided to go for the evening's special fish: grouper, a favorite, blackened. I was torn between grouper and etouffee, and pleasantly surprised when our server hinted that there's a way you can have both. Just order the fish with etoufee on top ($26.95). What a great idea! And the gravy that came with the rice -- a cheesy béchamel -- was delicious.

We also tried the traditional red beans and rice ($3.95) and a small cup of gumbo ($4.95). The gumbo was outstanding. They had cooked the roux until it was truly smoky, and the smoked flavor brought out the best in the rich, thick stew. The red beans and rice was genuine, just the simple tastes that come through so well.

DocProc
DocProc
1/27/2011 9:27:11 AM #

Just found the website:

http://home.fuse.net/lannigan.com/

I'll now stop posting about this because it's making me hungry.

Amy
Amy
1/27/2011 9:34:53 AM #

YUM.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/27/2011 9:02:33 AM #

I remember the Band of Horses conversation on here sometime back. I saw Pearl Jam twice back in May and and they opened and I made sure I was there in time for their show. OK, they were a good band but nothing special. I even listened to a few of their "better songs" before I got there so the concert would be my first listen and it was good, not great.

I guess I have a little mass appeal in me more than I have appreciate the arts in me.

A little True Grit vs The Kings Speech.

Amy
Amy
1/27/2011 9:32:16 AM #

This sounds music-snobby, which I am not, but I did like their earlier stuff better, before they were getting radio play.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/27/2011 10:28:56 AM #

Are they not as good or is it because they had some commercial success.

I remember being a big hardcore and skate/punk rock guy in the 80's. Most of this bands stayed small and/or went away. It was funny when friends ran away from Greenday when they got a big record deal in '93 or '94. The music was better but mainstream was the kiss of death for hardcore fans. they moved on the the next guy.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/27/2011 10:41:35 AM #

OK so news today that social security will run out in 2037 if things remain the same as they are today.

My age in 2037.....65

DocProc
DocProc
1/27/2011 10:58:12 AM #

I'll be 81--which is why I will start cashing in on Social Security as soon as I'm legally able.  

And I have my doubts that it's going to last until 2037.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/27/2011 11:03:31 AM #

about 11 years ago when we started saving we did not account for one dime from SS. To think how much we pay into it a year. I could be putting that in my retirement and be done at 55.

Enjoy spending my money Doc

Timothy Wyant
Timothy Wyant
1/27/2011 11:55:56 AM #

It's too bad because it didn't have to be this way.  If the government had been putting aside the "profit" from the SS program since the Clinton years, we wouldn't even have to worry about when it would run out.  Instead, we've used that money to fund other programs, fight ways, or whatever else it's been spent on.  Bummer

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/27/2011 12:09:03 PM #

indeed

Amy
Amy
1/27/2011 12:12:58 PM #

Y'all stop it. The snow and cold are depressing enough.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/27/2011 12:15:23 PM #

I was going to get all wordy and reply and I stopped myself. I felt that way and its sunny and 58 here

SlashX
SlashX
1/27/2011 2:30:26 PM #

I'll be 95.  So I guess I'd better start working on plan B.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/27/2011 2:32:26 PM #

just get a second job when your 85 and you'll be ready.

Redwakeup
Redwakeup
1/27/2011 6:53:50 PM #

I could be 72 at that point. They count on a lot of us not making it to retirement age.

Amy
Amy
1/27/2011 12:11:55 PM #

After a week or so of BP on Twitter, I have to say, I think it's probably one of the smartest things he's ever done. You cannot buy that much good press. He really digs getting out there and interacting with fans, has a great rapport with them, and now he's doing it ALL THE TIME. And the stuff from the Winter Caravan, so far, is just great. Wanna know what Marty talks about on the bus? Follow @DatDudeBP.

Amy
Amy
1/27/2011 12:14:29 PM #

Plus, he's learned how to reply to someone w/o retweeting it every. single. time.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/27/2011 12:22:33 PM #

didn't know you were such an expert! I'll have to follow you too

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/27/2011 2:20:17 PM #

Alright, you sucked me into the vortex.

Will Snacks stick as a nickname for Mes?

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/27/2011 12:21:40 PM #

he does need to be careful though. So far been pretty innocent fun stuff. I doubt he has the 2 hour rule in place for tweeting after a stressful event.

When I get an email or voice message that sets me off I have a 2 hour rule so i don't pop off something i'll regret. Believe me I've sain and done plenty I regret. Having these social media outlets at your finger tips is scary to me. I could never work in the corporate environment.

DocProc
DocProc
1/27/2011 1:33:18 PM #

Very cool:

www.nytimes.com/.../27meche.html

AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
1/27/2011 1:39:28 PM #

'Very cool' is an understatement. I liked Poz's writeup of it, but this had more quotes. Thanks for the link Doc!

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/27/2011 1:44:42 PM #

jason stark did a cool write up on that as well. Hard to believe he didn't accept a settlement or something. Straight up I have to leave I don't deserve the millions. Crazy.

River Otter
River Otter
1/27/2011 3:12:03 PM #

It's even more impressive because he could easily blame the Royals for his shoulder problems. Posnanski gives a good synopsis of what happened in 2009:  joeposnanski.blogspot.com/.../...ent-of-meche.html

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/27/2011 2:01:14 PM #

From the tool himself

No, lot of tools guys there like Yorman Rodriguez. RT @runningman2017: @keithlaw is Reds system full of high floor/medium ceiling guys.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/27/2011 2:17:12 PM #

Cincinnati Reds
1. Aroldis Chapman, LHP (15)
2. Devin Mesoraco, C (31)
3. Billy Hamilton, SS (51)
4. Yasmani Grandal, C (59)
5. Yonder Alonso, 1B (65)
6. Yorman Rodriguez, OF
7. Juan Francisco, 3B
8. Kyle Lotzkar, RHP
9. Todd Frazier, LF
10. Ismael Guillon, LHP

River Otter
River Otter
1/27/2011 3:17:51 PM #

Great starter, AAT. Overall, I've been happy with the Reds offseason.  Unlike Fay, I'd give Uncle Walt a "B."

I know I haven't posted much, but I've been regularly reading the blog.  It's still my first stop for Reds news.  I hope to post more once spring training starts.

Dawginnaples
Dawginnaples
1/27/2011 3:26:01 PM #

Forgot to say thanks and superb job on the starter Ash. I've commented on Willis and Arroyo already. Suffice to say that I'll also grade Walt outat a B or B+. The only way he would have gotten the A is if Vlad were on the roster and a true #1 or #2 starter could have been had for a package of the fill-ins. I don't expect much, do I?

Mary
Mary
1/27/2011 3:54:46 PM #

This was in Hal McCoy's blog today and gives a bit of insight into the DTrain situation as it currently stands

Q: "What’s with the signing of pitcher Dontrelle Willis, who was lights out his first few years but now appears to be in the dark?

A:“Willis is in Arizona working with (pitching coach) Bryan Price every day,” said Bavasi. “He is a great guy. But early in his career he wouldn’t listen to anybody or make any changes. He was so good he didn’t have to. Now he is listening and making adjustments. He’ll go to spring training (on a minor-league contract with an invitation to the major-league) camp and we’ll see what we have - whether he can be in the rotation or in the bullpen.”

Mary
Mary
1/27/2011 3:55:55 PM #

I should have added that the comment were from Walt's assistant, Bill Bavasi

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
1/27/2011 4:13:51 PM #

The Marlins have a home game scheduled against the Mariners. In Seattle.

U2>Marlins home game. Wow/ugh/yougottabekiddingme/wasanybodyevenpayingattention/mlbschedulingsucks/seriously?

btalbert25
btalbert25
1/27/2011 6:18:05 PM #

I'm way late to the topic, but I must say I agree to a point about Knotty Pine on the Bayou.  I have been 2 times.  One time the food was fantastic, the other time it was not so great. The time it wasn't so good, I got the Cajun Sampler thinking I was going to get a mix of red beans and rice and jambalaya. It was my own fault, but basically I got shreded steak and chicken with cajun spice.

The 2nd time we went I got a side of etoufee and a bowl of Gumbo and let me tell you that was the best cajun food I've had outside of Louisianna.  I would love to go for a crawfish boil sometime too.  Both times my wife and I have gone, she has ordered blackened halibut and it's been great as well.  If you go when the weather is nice you can sit outside and look out at the Licking River and it's really nice.  One word of advice, give yourself some time.  The service can be pretty slow.  I'm one who likes to sit and talk and relax when I got out to dinner anyway, so it's always fine with me, but some aren't as patient as me.  Also, it's kind of a dive so don't expect a fancy place, but again, it adds to the character of the place.  Also, try the alligator tail, it's really good too.

rpa
rpa
1/27/2011 7:41:42 PM #

So... this Knotty Pine on the Bayou place sounds like it might be worth checking out.  Stuffed jalapenos with shrip and cream cheese?  Not sure I would get that, but I like the way these people think.  Although, I did notice the website says they are "CLOSE TO EVERYWHERE" and I am not so sure about that.  It's close enough to me, though.

I like Champ's "2 hour rule".  I usually do something similar.  I have 5 or 6 e-mails saved (without addresses in them to make sure they don't accidentally get sent) in the "drafts" box of my e-mail right now.  And right now I am taking a break from work before I go back and re-read what I wrote before I decide if I should send it.  Work's been fun lately - a lot of problems getting blamed on whomever isn't in the office that day.  I haven't been in the office since last Wednesday... so my pile is starting to stack up.  Just got off a lovely 6:30 PM conference call (all these people were Eastern time, too) and cleared the air a bit, so to speak.  So, a lot of e-mails have been going in that file lately.  Most of them are getting slightly reworded and sent.

I remember for a while me and a couple of the guys I worked with had a "resignation letter" sitting in our e-mail, waiting to get sent out.  It was a .jpg of Cartman and we simply had typed "Screw you guys, I'm goin' home." and a signature underneath it.  Now that I think about it, I am going to just upload a copy of that letter that booster sent to the AD at UConn and use that, instead.

I still can't read those BP tweets.  They just make my head hurt.

Keith Law.  Resident Tool.  I wonder if he has that printed on business cards.

Me?  I want cards that say "Professional Ninja" on them.  I'll have to go order those right now.



btalbert25
btalbert25
1/27/2011 9:16:38 PM #

Knotty Pine is definitely worth checking out.  I definitely wouldn't classify it as close to everywhere lol, but I guess it is pretty close to NKU so it's not too far from most of the Greater Cincinnati area.  I would like to go back soon and have dinner.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/27/2011 9:21:29 PM #

Crap...my buddies printing business just stopped doing business cards.

I would have loved to have run yours and then done some for Keith Law. I can't recall who started the Resident Tool thing here a couple years ago but it sure stuck with me.

rpa
rpa
1/27/2011 11:01:27 PM #

One of the places I used to work, I had a bunch of cards for one of our field reps.  That way, if I was ever mailing out a proposal or technical data or something to a customer or an engineer or something I could put one of them in the binder so they would have his contact info.

So every time he got a fresh order of business cards, I would skim 50 or 100 off the top and give him the rest of the box.  I always told him to be careful not to piss me off, or I would start running my 2-ton '83 Oldsmobile Ninety-Eight into expensive foreign cars parked near the courthouse downtown and leaving his cards under their windshield wipers.

I still miss that car.  I bought it for $800, gave my dad $100 bucks to buy parts to help me fix the carburetor (all those little springs and levers and crap were just beyond me...), drove it for 2 years and sold it for $1000.   Awesome.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/27/2011 9:24:50 PM #

I had BP's twitter linked to my Pre and I had to disable the mobile option. He was killing my battery today.

He and Jamie Ramsey were killing me with the caravan stuff, they just kept coming.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
1/27/2011 11:10:16 PM #

I quit a job one time with,"I quit because you're an A@#hole! *&^# you!" It was the most exhilarating feeling I ever had. I also handed him a professionally worded letter of resignation,just to make sure I didn't burn any bridges.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/27/2011 9:26:28 PM #

I just found a new cajun joint downtown after my two favorites just closed, The Crooked Bayou and Jockamo's were great. The sunday crawfish boils will be missed

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/27/2011 9:41:55 PM #

Caravan video. CTR makes a cameo

mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=13100527

btalbert25
btalbert25
1/28/2011 12:05:42 AM #

I wonder if he had to take up a collection to attend that event.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/27/2011 9:50:19 PM #

Nice post by CTR on Yonder

mlb-facts-and-rumors.blogs.cbssports.com/.../27277592

AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
1/28/2011 12:11:07 AM #

I've got to hope they're just trying to create leverage. Right now, I can't imagine anyone giving much for a prospect who's out of options and blocked at the ML level for the team he's on. It just doesn't make any sense to give much up.

Hopefully, this 'we're not trading him' takes some desperation off of the Reds and we can get something for him because frankly, I don't see how he's a fit, barring a blown knee or something by Votto.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/28/2011 8:59:36 AM #

Like CTR said, it seems transparent. Everyone knows he is blocked for 3 years and has to be on the roster in 2012(i think?).

Our best chance to move him is if he is hitting like he was at the end of AAA LY and in midseason when teams do more rash things. Although the Wells deal seemed a bit rash by the Angels this off season.

Its interesting when you look at the KC prospect lists out by BBA or RTKL. If we wanted to land Greinke with prospects out best carrots were Alonso, Francisco and Mes. Their top prospect is a 1B and second best is a C and Billy Butler is a DH still under team control. We were simply a poor fit even if Walt was interested.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/28/2011 12:16:32 PM #

ESPN RTKL has his sleeper prospects for 2011

Cincinnati Reds

Outfielder Yorman Rodriguez is as toolsy at it gets and raked as a 17-year-old in the Pioneer League. He has everything you'd want at the plate except discipline, and his approach will need some work. Ronald Torreyes is a tiny (as short as 5-foot-7, depending on your source) second baseman with an outstanding feel for hitting and should start 2011 in full-season ball at age 18.

Dawginnaples
Dawginnaples
1/28/2011 7:20:12 AM #

On the leaving a job topic: I was being played as a whooping boy by a supervisor for a good while, about 20 years ago. I went in early one morning and sat at his desk. When he came in, he began hinting and then insisting I "go do something fruitful". I ignored him until he got loud and specific with an assignment, then told him "I don't think so". "I won't be around long enough to get that done. As soon as somebody important gets here, I'm going to quit." You could almost see the smoke pouring out of his ears. One of the best moments of my life.  

River Otter
River Otter
1/28/2011 10:08:48 AM #

This quote from Lee May cracked me up:  http://twitter.com/#!/Jamieblog/status/31002301422370816

River Otter
River Otter
1/28/2011 10:10:15 AM #

Doesn't look like the link worked, but here's the quote from Lee May per Jamie Ramsey:

Lee May telling story how he got T Brennaman escorted off field in '89 because he didn't have credentials. "Had to bring him down a notch."

River Otter
River Otter
1/28/2011 10:15:26 AM #

Although Iowa football related, this blog post is probably the funniest thing I've read in a while, so I thought I'd share:  www.blackheartgoldpants.com/.../karl-klug-has-tiny-little-arms

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/28/2011 12:17:17 PM #

ESPN RTKL has his sleeper prospects for 2011. Out of reply jail I hope

Cincinnati Reds

Outfielder Yorman Rodriguez is as toolsy at it gets and raked as a 17-year-old in the Pioneer League. He has everything you'd want at the plate except discipline, and his approach will need some work. Ronald Torreyes is a tiny (as short as 5-foot-7, depending on your source) second baseman with an outstanding feel for hitting and should start 2011 in full-season ball at age 18.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/28/2011 12:28:41 PM #

whats cool about YRod is he's had two seasons with the reds instructors and he is just now entering where US HS players begin. Bruce and "Snacks" weren't in Dayton this soon.

If all goes well Torreyes, YRod and Hamilton will be considered for big league jobs arounf the time Votto is a FA. Many of the young guys here already wil be entering their prime years.

River Otter
River Otter
1/28/2011 4:04:39 PM #

It's great to finally have a deep farm system.  I also like the fact that the Reds have been aggressive the last few years in signing international players.

Love the "Snacks" nickname for Mescarasco.  BP's twitter has been great to follow.  Hopefully it won't turn ugly during the season when he or the team are in a slump.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/28/2011 4:06:37 PM #

that what i was afraid of

I had to disable the mobile alert. It was driving me nuts.

AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
1/28/2011 4:38:05 PM #

After my initial reservations, I've decided that Twitter was created for guys like BP. As silly as it sounds, the fact that he seems like a genuinely nice guy who I'd love to hang out with makes me like him a lot more than I ever did before - and the Cardinals incident shot him up to the top of the list for me.

Of course, this is before the inevitable brain farts throughout the season. We'll see how much I like to read his humorous banter when he costs the Reds a run in a loss to a bad team because he doesn't understand the difference between a home run and a double.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/29/2011 10:02:58 AM #

Seems like posturing by his agent to get his deal done. If they don't get it done by the deadline their tune may change.

sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=6070963

Statmom
Statmom
1/28/2011 12:46:26 PM #


Look's like Jerry Gil's transition to pitcher is going well.  Per Fay's blog, he received an invite to Spring Training.  

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/28/2011 12:53:15 PM #

Seems he caught someone's eye. He seemed to have performed so so in following the box scores last year. Sometimes it doesn't tell the whole story if he got sub par defense behind him.

It's nice to get to work out with the big league guys. If you're in the org you can play as a few of us saw in Goodyear last season without an invite. The plus of the invite is working out with the 40 man roster.

rpa
rpa
1/28/2011 5:37:46 PM #

Someone up there was wondering... and yes, Alonso will theoretically have to be on the 25-man roster in 2012 unless you think the Reds can get him through waivers.  I have always considered him more suspect than prospect, but I doubt they can get him back down in the minors after his option years are gone.

Yet another reason they should have traded him last year for an outfielder.  Oh well.

rpa
rpa
1/28/2011 5:39:22 PM #

Oh, it was Champ wondering about Alonso,  because he also said the same thing as I said all along about Greinke... the Reds most tradeable prospects were a poor fit with the Royals, they don't need corner infield/DH types or catchers.

rpa
rpa
1/28/2011 5:41:42 PM #

Radio is reporting that Corky Miller officially has a spring training invite.  Yay!

Mary
Mary
1/28/2011 6:56:50 PM #

yeah--per a BP tweet, Corky's his toughest competition on the dance floor

DocProc
DocProc
1/28/2011 5:43:25 PM #

My FB status update from this afternoon:

"I'm planning to attend Select-A-Seat tomorrow with (my son) RP Proctor in hopes of buying a 20-pack of weeknight tickets. I've never purchased a season package before, but I want support the Reds and the direction they've taken to field a winning team (unlike another franchise in this town that shall remain nameless--and Proctor fanless)."

River Otter
River Otter
1/28/2011 6:12:07 PM #

Good for you.  Hopefully there's a few more doing the same!

RedFaced
RedFaced
1/28/2011 8:17:55 PM #

Concerning Alonso:

I don't think he's un-trade-able just because the Reds have no immediate need for him.  I just think it depends on how the demand is for a guy of his talent by the other teams out there.  I mean you could say the same for Mike Leake if he doesn't crack the rotation out of Spring - doesn't mean someone else wouldn't want him and as long as you have two interested parties fighting over Alonso you'll get yourself a decent return.  

The trouble is that Alonso - coming off of injury - had a weak first half and overall weaker 2010 then the Reds would have liked.  Let him get a full year in AAA tearing it up and just see how many potential trade partners will be calling the Reds.  The Reds may be over-supplied at 1st base but that doesn't mean there will be no demand.

RedFaced
RedFaced
1/28/2011 8:18:33 PM #

Also, keep in mind Alonso might be kept in case the Reds make zero progress extending Votto as he goes into his last year in 2013.  At that point the team might be more inclined to trade Votto for a decent return rather than see him walk for comp picks.  I wouldn't like seeing Votto in another uni but we have to face the reality that it could happen.  Alonso would surely be insurance in that instance.  

timmytwoshoezzz
timmytwoshoezzz
1/28/2011 8:57:51 PM #

2011 is Yonder's third option year when he gets sent to the minors for more than 20 days after ST.  Since he'll have less than 5 years professional experience in 2012, he'll be eligible for a fourth option year.  There's simply zero reason to trade him unless the Reds feel that what they're getting in return is too good to pass up.

rpa
rpa
1/29/2011 10:46:10 AM #

I had forgotten about this rule.  I think he will be eligible for this due to the lack of professional experience like you mention, I don't know if there are any other loopholes in this rule and I am not awake enough to understand the rule if I look it up.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/29/2011 10:03:31 AM #

reply jail again

Seems like posturing by his agent to get his deal done. If they don't get it done by the deadline their tune may change.

sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=6070963

rpa
rpa
1/29/2011 10:38:56 AM #

"Other teams have asked the Cardinals about Albert Pujols in the past to let St. Louis know if it ever thought about dealing the perennial MVP candidate, the inquiring team's interest was established."

For some reason, I do not like how this sentence is constructed.  I am the last person that (who?  which?  See what i'm talking about?) should be questioning grammar and/or writing style.  That sentence just makes me queasy.  Maybe because I am not awake yet so I can't parse it quickly.

What I DO like is the idea of the Cards losing Pujols to the Red Sox at the end of the season and getting nothing more than a draft pick out of it.

DocProc
DocProc
1/29/2011 11:03:11 AM #

This morning's Facebook status update:

Follow this link and click on Section 528 and you'll see our FRONT-ROW view for 20 Reds games this season. RP Proctor and I sat in our seats this morning, looking at snowy Great American Ball Park and dreaming of the warm summer days to come.

To say that we're psyched and jazzed would not do justice to our excitement. PLAY BALL!

cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/.../seating_pricing.jsp


rpa
rpa
1/29/2011 11:50:44 AM #

Sat in the front row of that section for Opening Day a couple of years back.  Good seats.  Got a horrible sunburn though.  Not what I expected 1st week of April.

DocProc
DocProc
1/29/2011 11:59:56 AM #

We got the Weeknight package because we don't do sun well, either.  The package has a few afternoon games, but we'll either swap them out for night games (there's a cool exchange option) or move higher and sit in the shade.

rpa
rpa
1/29/2011 1:19:09 PM #

I usually handle the sun OK - if I put on some moderate sunscreen I can sit through a day game with no problem.  But that Opening Day it was really sunny, I hadn't had any sun all winter, and there was something about the angle on that side of the stadium.

I think the sun was closer than normal that day.  Never thought I would be able to attend an Opening Day game in shorts.

DocProc
DocProc
1/29/2011 1:23:07 PM #

I got a nasty sunburn at a Opening Day game too--even with a bit of sunscreen on.  Can't remember the exact year, but I recall Dunn hitting a home run.  May have been the same game you're describing.

Amy
Amy
1/29/2011 4:36:33 PM #

You'd think you had some redheads in your family or something, Doc Smile

AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
1/29/2011 12:14:41 PM #

If the Cardinals sign Pujols at $30 mil, they're in serious trouble. Have you seen the contracts for Molina and Wainwright? They're criminally underpaid. Let's assume Wainwright gets $15 mil a year(which is low) and Molina gets $10 mil. When all is said and done, in 2014, they could have $71 million in four players... with a payroll of $95-100 mil.

I don't know where the revenue comes from - they already sell out games. Their tickets are already outrageously high. How do they bump payroll?

I've got friends who are delusional enough to think that players will play in St. Louis for cheap once Pujols is signed. If that's true, why hasn't it worked that way so far? The bottom line is this is very, VERY good news if the Cards end up giving in.

rpa
rpa
1/29/2011 2:48:03 PM #

Fun things to remember about the Cards payroll in 2012 -  I think Jaime Garcia will be eligible for arbitration.

rpa
rpa
1/29/2011 2:51:15 PM #

Another fun thing as I look through the notes.  They will be paying Kyle Lohse 11.875 mil in 2012.  He has a full no-trade clause.

rpa
rpa
1/29/2011 2:54:07 PM #

And another.  They will be paying Jake Westbrook $8.5 mil in 2012.

So let's see... even if we assume some discounts because guys love playing for LaRussa...

$30 mil for Pujols
$10-15 for Wainwright
$8-12 for Molina
$12 mil for Lohse
$8 mil for Westbrook
$17 mil for Holliday

So there's $94 mil.  Hmm... either Wainwright & Molina aren't coming back, or Pujols isn't getting that kind of money in 2012, or there's a big salary dump coming.

rpa
rpa
1/29/2011 2:55:19 PM #

I wish I could edit - my math is way off... meant that best case it is $85 mil.  But, you know, that's my point.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/29/2011 5:12:43 PM #

In 2012 Carp has the $15mil option too. Its Pujols or Carp...not both unless they start cutting everywhere else.

I think if nothing gets done and he's upset he may actually take his no trade comment and put it into action. He walks.

AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
1/29/2011 6:03:44 PM #

Plus, after thinking it through, Adam Wainwright is younger and better than Cliff Lee, who just got $25 mil a season. Wainwright's not going for $15 mil. That's WAY too low. He'll be gone too.

rpa
rpa
1/29/2011 6:22:15 PM #

Wainwright is right-handed.  That matters.  But, I would not be surprised if he got $15-20.

rpa
rpa
1/29/2011 6:21:04 PM #

I am just assuming they don't pick up Carp's option.

DocProc
DocProc
1/29/2011 1:45:39 PM #

JUST SAY NO:

"The Reds will decide whether to sign free-agent reliever Jason Isringhausen after watching him throw a bullpen session on Monday in Arizona, tweets John Fay of the Cincinnati Enquirer."

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/29/2011 5:15:09 PM #

got that this morning too. Just walt doing a favor for a guy he likes. He might get an invite. So what...we have only 54 guys invited.

How many times does a guy make a last ditch effort in the spring at the end of his career and hang it up after being beat around by AA guys in the 7th inning in Glendale.

rpa
rpa
1/29/2011 6:24:38 PM #

Remember how many guys Bowden would invite?  They'd have like 100 guys in the major league camp at the beginning of the year.

This doesn't bother me.  Even if they bring him in, like Champ says, he'll either have his stuff or get whipped and go home.

This isn't like past years where there are young guys that might make the staff that need innings to evaluate... the guys making the team are mostly set.  Guys like Isringhausen and Willis make sense for a team like this that doesn't need to look at most of their relievers much in the spring to know who is coming north.  That way, you  can try to catch lightning in a bottle with one of these long-shot "washed up" guys.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/29/2011 5:16:58 PM #

Speaking of tweets...RTKL has been in a pissing match this afternoon with a few yahoos about Edmonds a HOF'er using Rice in the argument.

rpa
rpa
1/29/2011 6:36:16 PM #

In my opinion, Edmonds might have a better case than Rice.  I think Rice is kinda marginal to begin with.  

Edmonds played at a premium defensive position and was at least above average.  I was never sure if he was as good as he was made out to be, but he was certainly above average.  Rice played LF and from what I remember was just passable there (but I only remember him once he was already in his 30s.. so that might not be totally fair.  And he played in the AL, which I didn't pay as much attention to... but the stats seem to back up "average at best").  Advantage - Edmonds

Rice's homers meant more than Edmonds' did - difference in eras.  Edmonds was never the most feared slugger on most of his teams.  For a couple of years, Rice was one of the most feared in baseball, as is evidenced by his 77 intentional walks compared to Edmonds' 91.  OK, maybe that's a bad comparison.
Advantage - Rice (barely)

Rice was so-so at getting on base.  Edmonds was pretty good at it.
Advantage - Edmonds

Edmonds was a solid post-season contributor.  Rice really wasn't.  Of course, Rice didn't get many chances, and the ones he did get were at the end of his career, so that isn't really a fair comparison - but Edmonds did perform given the chance.
Advantage - Edmonds with a big ol' "*"


I like to use OPS+ to compare guys between eras - gives you a bit of a hint about the relative offensive environments they played in.   Edmonds = 132, Rice = 128.  Essentially even.  Edmonds did more in an era where it was easier to do it.  

Fact is, if Edmonds had played his career in Boston and Rice had played in Anaheim and St Louis, Rice would not be in the hall and Edmonds would get in.   They didn't, so it will be the other way 'round.

rpa
rpa
1/29/2011 6:46:02 PM #

Best news of the day - Krogers had Bell's Double Cream Stout this evening.  Oh my.  I mean, Two Hearted Ale is maybe my favoritest beer ever, so these guys know their stuff - not sure they've ever made a bad beer.  But I can get Tho Hearted Ale anytime.  This, on the other hand, is a winter treat.

Every time I find this stuff I always think I will buy a six pack and keep them around for a while and just enjoy one every now and then because they are a rare treat.  But, instead, they are so delicious that they are all gone in a day or two.

Amy
Amy
1/29/2011 6:56:59 PM #

Um, buy more. Now, while they have it.

I felt the same way about the ice cream Jeni's had with Maker's Mark in it. I should have bought pints and pints. Instead, I had a single cup of ice cream. Stupid.

rpa
rpa
1/29/2011 7:07:14 PM #

That's the problem.  If I buy more, I will just drink it.  As I mentioned recently, I kinda suck at doing things in moderation.

Amy
Amy
1/29/2011 7:10:00 PM #

Hmm, point taken...okay, buy more, and ask your wife to hide it somewhere, only bringing out one six-pack a week.

rpa
rpa
1/29/2011 7:32:52 PM #

Now we may be on to something.  Except this house is too small to really "hide" anything in.

Maybe I can get me a time release thing like those feeders they use for pets.

Amy
Amy
1/29/2011 8:49:03 PM #

That's a really amusing visual.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
1/29/2011 9:22:29 PM #

Have you ever had La Fin Du Monde or Maudite from Unibroue? Unibroue is  a brewery from Quebec. Good stuff! I'm not sure if it is available in Ohio due to the screwy ABC laws in this state. I get it at Party Source when I go in that general direction.
I parcel out Gatorade to Soccerson like that. I buy it by the case and keep it in my trunk and just let a few out at a time.

rpa
rpa
1/29/2011 9:45:08 PM #

I used to spend a lot of time in Montreal.  I LOVE La Fin Du Monde.  

It's available in Ohio... at least at the Oakley/Hyde Park Krogers, they have it in the big bottles.  Think I saw 6 packs of standard 12 oz bottles at Jungle Jim's.

Unibroue does good work in general.  I've been a few places in Montreal that have their stuff on tap.  Haven't had a bad one yet.

Maybe they can't sell it everywhere because they have a "Liquor Store" inside, but it isn't in there.  It may depend on what kind of license any individual establishment has.    Or maybe most places won't mess with it, I don't know.

All I will say - Montreal is a hell of a lot of fun.  Maybe too much so.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
1/29/2011 10:29:24 PM #

I'm going to check out the Kroger in Harpers Point and see if they have it there.
Ohio has some f'ed up liquor laws,especially when it comes to distributors. I was in the wine and beer business in Ohio for about 15 years as a distributor sales rep. It was crazy the hoops you had to jump through. I went to sell in Ky.and it was so much easier to conduct business on a reasonably normal level.Having the ability to sell high proof spirits over there was definitely a plus. I miss that business sometimes.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
1/29/2011 9:24:30 PM #

I like the idea of RPA having to tap a lever several times to get a sip of it, like a lab rat.

rpa
rpa
1/29/2011 9:45:48 PM #

Really, this is more or less how my life works.

If I work 12 or 16 hours, I get to have some beer.

Then I wake up the next morning, work 12 or 16 hours, and I get to have some beer.

Lather.  Rinse.  Repeat.

rpa
rpa
1/29/2011 9:54:13 PM #

I just realized that the last 18 months of my life have been somewhat monotonous.

Mary
Mary
1/29/2011 9:00:59 PM #



  DatDudeBP  Brandon Phillips
I need some ketchup for this hotdog! Need some help please



I can just imagine what he who shall not be named would say about ketchup on hotdogs

rpa
rpa
1/29/2011 9:49:10 PM #

I know what Carson Palmer would say.  "Mustard only, please."

www.midwestsportsfans.com/.../...almerdog2_hed.jpg

Mainly I just look for excuses to post that.


I think some graphic designers/photographers have a sense of humor.

Really wish I could find a good pic of that Jeff Gordon Pepsi machine that they were using for a while in the late 90s.  

HA!  I just found one!

www.flickr.com/photos/p2wy/34111635/lightbox/

Oh, man.  I mean, someone did that on purpose.  Not that there's anything wrong with that.

rpa
rpa
1/29/2011 9:49:33 PM #

I wont tell you what google search string I used to find that.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/30/2011 10:54:35 AM #

I tried a lot of combinations with no luck though

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/30/2011 10:55:09 AM #

I'm still laughing at the time release thing

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/30/2011 10:57:35 AM #

Yesterdays mail yielded something wonderful.

I have tix for 4 Reds games for ST in my possession. I'm jealous of the guys here who are getting their season tix packs. This is as close as I will get to them this season.

Amy
Amy
1/30/2011 11:55:05 AM #

Yay! And how do you already know you won't make a game during the regular season? Pessimist.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/30/2011 12:58:57 PM #

much to the surprise of the ones I love Pessimist is no my middle name.

My comments are already a lie though. My national sales meeting is in of all places Cleveland. Its in May starting on a Monday while the BoSox are in town. We already have a box for our group.

I looked at the schedule and our Reds are in town the weekend before so I have plans to go up Sat and catch the Sunday game and stay with my cousin by the airport.

I often use the word realist to pessimist, sounds better. June through August are my busiest months and vacation is already planned so Sept is my only getaway month. Who knows? I can get free in October though.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/30/2011 1:05:26 PM #

While researching some alternative ways to prep asparagus I came across this. Not really all that fun.

www.asparagusfacts.com/asparagus_fun_facts.html

I thought I'd find something more like this under fun facts

www.wisegeek.com/...-peoples-urine-smell-funny.htm

rpa
rpa
1/30/2011 1:29:50 PM #

I really like asparagus.  But I don't have it that often.  And then I see it, and I'm all like "ooh, asparagus.  I like asparagus!" and then I have some, and then a little while later I remember why I don't eat it that often.  Ick.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/30/2011 1:41:30 PM #

when cooked right I am a big fan too. But, yeah, the end result can put you off for a while.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
1/30/2011 4:06:23 PM #

Yay me ! I'm one of the lucky ones. The Little Guy ,who likes almost no vegetables likes asparagus.Weird.

DocProc
DocProc
1/30/2011 4:42:59 PM #

Asparagus is easily my favorite vegetable.  I eat it by the plateful in the spring when it's in season.  The end result?  Small price to pay.

AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
1/30/2011 6:11:31 PM #

Here in Missouri, we're supposed to get up to a half inch of ice, followed by 12-18 inches of snow. I think this is God's judgement towards the Cardinals.

DocProc
DocProc
1/30/2011 6:55:03 PM #

It's too bad you live so close to St. Sodom/Gomorrah and have to endure the wrath heaped upon that city.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
1/30/2011 8:13:53 PM #

When the Mississippi turns to blood and there are lots of locusts, that's when they have big problems coming. "LET MY PUJOLS GO"!

rpa
rpa
1/30/2011 8:49:57 PM #

For some reason, all I had to do was think of Charlton Heston saying "LET MY PUJOLS GO" and I started laughing uncontrollably.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
1/31/2011 10:37:30 AM #

Carp and his kid might have some problems coming too.

RedFaced
RedFaced
1/31/2011 8:22:46 PM #

IT'S A MADHOUSE, A MAAAADDDDDDHHOOOOOUUUSSSSEEEEE!!!

rpa
rpa
1/30/2011 8:51:22 PM #

In other news, is anyone watching the Pro Bowl?  I mean, not just on here, but in general?

I flipped past it a minute ago and it was 42-0 NFC.  In the 1st half.

Normally I wouldn't watch but I think a 84-0 Pro Bowl might be worth watching for comedic reasons.

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
1/30/2011 9:00:18 PM #

I did in fact turn it on simply b/c the score was 42-0.

rpa
rpa
1/30/2011 10:25:34 PM #

Yeah, I just flipped past it again and was disappointed...

rpa
rpa
1/30/2011 11:13:32 PM #

Reports are that the Reds have signed Volquez to a one-year deal to avoid an arb hearing.

No details yet that I can find.

rpa
rpa
1/30/2011 11:26:55 PM #

Channel 5 says 1 yr, 1.6 mil.

rpa
rpa
1/30/2011 11:14:52 PM #

Also, Sheldon had a list of the NRI's for Spring Training;

RHP Scott Carroll, RHP Jerry Gil, LHP Jeremy Horst, LHP Donnie Joseph, RHP Matt Klinker, RHP Justin Lehr, RHP Chad Reineke, LHP Dontrelle Willis, C Chris Denove, C Devin Mesoraco, C Corky Miller, OF Danny Dorn, OF Jeremy Hermida and OF Dave Sappelt.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/31/2011 1:15:38 PM #

Thats what I was talking about...look at all the NRI that are in house. All those guys can expect to be in AA or AAA for the Reds except for Willis. Willis is likely the only NRI that would be cut and sent on his way.

Lehr might but I assume he'd retire and end up in the Org as a coach. Miller will mentor the pitchers and Mesoraco in AAA and Hermida will be with the big club as the LH bat off the bench or start in AAA.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/31/2011 1:44:33 PM #

Buster Olney had a cool insider analysis today for pitchers effectiveness with a particular pitch.

Cincy charted with a few pitchers with some surprises.

Travis Wood had the second best result with 2 and 4 seam fastball in the NL ranking either 1st or 2nd in slg, ops and obp and 3rd in BA against.

Ondrusek was 5th in the cutter category.

Massett was 4th in the slider category and held back by the high obp otherwise he was as dominant as the others including B. Wagner and C. Kershaw.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
1/31/2011 7:44:36 PM #

I bet Coco's slider isn't ranked very high.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/31/2011 1:47:11 PM #

CTrent says Bratowki FIRED!

I want Vince McMahon to say it!

Dawginnaples
Dawginnaples
1/31/2011 4:25:21 PM #

This isn't going to make me smile. He'll likely end up a long term assistant on a perenial SuperBowl contender. Rule #1 with the Bungles:
  - It's not the coaches! Rule #2   - It's still ot the coaches!!
Until they hire a GM with a plan and let him work it, they're ging to be the Bungles!!!

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
1/31/2011 7:42:40 PM #

The winner of the genetic lottery that sits in the big office down there will never let that happen. He knows better than everyone else in the league, don't you realize that. Silly Dawg!

Dawginnaples
Dawginnaples
1/31/2011 7:53:56 PM #

Fine! - More time to spend watching "The Only Game in Town". The Reds are on the move and the Bungles are sucking bilge. Tis a shame.

rpa
rpa
1/31/2011 7:58:35 PM #

I'm still trying to understand the timing of this.  Why would you do that after all of the other teams have already hired the guys they want?

Meh.

Glad I am not a Bengals fan.  Thrilled that I will be paying another $43 mil for "improvements" to Mike Brown's free stadium over the next 10 years (assuming I can't get out of Hamilton County first).

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/31/2011 8:38:03 PM #

why would they do it after the Senior bowl? The offensive guys obviously made something clear. Sounds like a revolt of some sort. My cousin played travel soccer with Bresnahan's daughter. You could read into what he said, Brat needed to go.

BTW Dawg, Bresnahan is now with the Raiders so that logic doesn't always work.

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
1/31/2011 8:47:42 PM #

Timing of it makes perfect sense.

He's still under contract next year.

Mike didn't want to fire him and pay him, so he chose to retain him and pay him.

Carson got all pizzy.

Mike decided he liked Carson more than Brat.

Brat got fired.

Expect Norm Chow to be hired w/in the week.

Sorry for the spacing.

btalbert25
btalbert25
1/31/2011 9:51:09 PM #

Do you honestly think Norm Chow would come to Cincinnati?  I'm thinking he knows better than getting involved with a such a terrible organiation.  Plus he can pretty much command any price he wants.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/1/2011 11:05:23 AM #

One of the many advantages to living in Warren County is not having to deal with the morons that run Hamilton county and the city of Cincinnati.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/1/2011 11:06:13 AM #

The above was a reply to RPA.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
1/31/2011 8:42:07 PM #

Reds GM: Jason Isringhausen “looked good”

timmytwoshoezzz
timmytwoshoezzz
1/31/2011 9:04:09 PM #

Please Walt, didn't you learn anything from the Mike Lincoln contract?

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
1/31/2011 9:06:57 PM #

Yeah, but they're looking at a minor league contract, so eh.

rpa
rpa
1/31/2011 11:29:15 PM #

Well, if they don't sign him to a 2-year, $4 mil deal... that means they learned something.

Meanwhile, Steve Phillips thinks the Reds should sign Reggie Sanders because he looked REALLY good hitting off of a tee last week.

rpa
rpa
1/31/2011 11:33:24 PM #

RISP no longer stands for runners in scoring position... it stands for Resident Idiot Steve Phillips.

Of course, he's not been an ESPN Resident Idiot for a while now... but the fact that he's still getting paid by someone, somewhere to talk about baseball is as insulting to the game of baseball as the idea of Matt Millen being allowed to talk about football.  Except that Millen at least was a good player.  Phillips was good at what, exactly?

rpa
rpa
1/31/2011 11:39:28 PM #

Speaking of a fairly significant sports media folly - Rob Neyer is leaving ESPN.

espn.go.com/.../bo-knows-amazing

I don't always agree with Neyer, but he's one of the guys I think actually has a clue some of the time.  Getting him away from ESPN might be a good thing.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/1/2011 9:01:51 AM #

I really like reading his stuff. agree or disagree his points well conceived easy to understand. He can make you change your mind the way he presents it.

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
1/31/2011 11:45:51 PM #

www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/.../AEG-Farmers.aspx

So if LA gets a football team....they will play at Farmers Field. WTF is wrong w/ some people in the business world? Hopefully they would get them to reconsider the name "Farmers Field"

rpa
rpa
2/1/2011 12:18:26 AM #

Well, Farmers Insurance is one of the biggest insurance companies in the US.  I'd guess top 5.  If I recall correctly, they are owned by Zurich.  Not exactly a small time operation.

Of course, calling the thing "Farmers Field" is kind of like calling the place where an undefeated basketball team plays "Value City Arena".  Oh, yeah, I forgot.  The Schottensteins kinda paid for the thing.  But, still, uh.... money talks, BS walks.

So, Los Angeles Charges playing at Farmers Field?  Why not?  My favorite team plays for a place sponsored by company that doesn't get the "Q followed by U" rule.




Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
2/1/2011 1:03:43 AM #

Oh yeah, no problem in general w/ stadium naming rights, heck any other city and I'm probably like 'eh.

But you'd think the NFL coming back to LA would end up attracting something better than "Farmers Field". It's just so un-LA, and probably would go down as one of the worst stadium names of all time, when put into context.

I mean looking at the top 100 US companies, I think the only one that straight off the tongue and w/ the image it conveys sounds nearly as bad as "Farmers Field" is "Supervalu Field", and that's mainly b/c you'd have that dumb Supervalu logo pasted everywhere. money.cnn.com/.../

rpa
rpa
2/1/2011 1:10:32 AM #

I like the idea of "Johnson Controls Field".

I think "Waste Management Field" would be worse.  Where I come from, you call that a leach bed.


Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/1/2011 11:13:00 AM #

I think the California Strawberry Commission should sponsor it. Strawberry Field has kind of a nice ring to it. My daughter camethisclose to being named Abby,until my wife caught on. Those of you who know my name get the idea behind it.

DocProc
DocProc
2/1/2011 11:25:11 AM #

Okay, that's just funny.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/1/2011 12:41:13 PM #

Two weeks short of the day she was born,Soccermom caught on to it. Oh what could have been !

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
2/1/2011 12:07:04 AM #

I have no idea who this is:
keithlaw keithlaw
Guillon could. Like him a lot. RT @OnBaseMachine: Any chance Ismael Guillon or Jonathan Correa jump into the #Reds top 5 next season?

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
2/1/2011 12:08:56 AM #

Struck out 11.5/9 in rookie ball. As an 18 year old. Signed outta Venezuela when he was 16. He starts. He has control problems, but he was 18.

rpa
rpa
2/1/2011 12:21:08 AM #

Guillon is one of those guys that might turn out to be something big.  Was pretty low profile when the Reds signed him, but he's got decent stuff.  Mostly, he's a lefty getting results, which means he's on a prospect list.  

What little I know: Herky-jerky delivery.  Injury risk.  So far, great results.  In other words... check back in 2 or 3 years.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/1/2011 9:06:05 AM #

Both are pretty nice prospects. They fit into that second wave that will be on the way n 2013 and 2014 with YRod, Hamilton, Joeseph, etc

rpa
rpa
2/1/2011 12:24:51 AM #

Apropos of nothing - listening to the Wipers right now.  You should, too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aO6IhSL11Uk

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
2/1/2011 12:57:24 AM #

I listened to this once...and then came back 20 or so minutes later to get the link again.

rpa
rpa
2/1/2011 12:59:08 AM #

Hell, it took me two years.  But eventually I figured it out.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/1/2011 10:23:23 AM #

been a long time since I heard that. You have to love raw punk.

Growing up in High school in the late 80's, I was subjected to so much bad music. You really had to search to find anything good.

My skate punk friends in the neighborhood had me into crap like Suicidal tendancies, Minor threat, Agent Orange etc. I still loved the raw sound and when the Seattle thing happened I was all over it.

That was actually my first exposure to the Wipers. Those bands liked to cover them back in the day.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/1/2011 11:15:24 AM #

Speaking of Neyer...He pays tribute to the most exciting athlete I have ever seen. Of course the Bengals ruined him too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bs-1hPkLKeQ

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/1/2011 11:20:13 AM #

That's really good. I was in college when the punk explosion took off,1976,1977. It was another ingredient in the musical stew that I liked.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/1/2011 11:23:33 AM #

I wonder how Ash is doing. They are taking a butt whipping ,weather wise,I think.

AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
2/1/2011 12:53:43 PM #

It's like watching a blizzard in a movie... except it's outside. I won't be leaving my house until Thursday, at the earliest.

Amy
Amy
2/1/2011 1:28:44 PM #

Be careful! Staying home sounds like a good plan.

Amy
Amy
2/1/2011 1:28:56 PM #

OMG, I am such a mom.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/1/2011 2:54:56 PM #

Yeah you are, but probably the cool mom to all your kids friends.

AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
2/1/2011 12:55:15 PM #

If you haven't heard of Epic Mealtime, well, prepare yourself for an afternoon of awesome as you watch their videos.

Today's may be their best - check it out! www.youtube.com/watch

Amy
Amy
2/1/2011 1:21:45 PM #

While we're on music, I saw two GREAT shows in January. Punch Brothers and an acoustic twin bill of John Hiatt and Lyle Lovett. Punch Brothers, if you aren't familiar, is a band that technically can be called bluegrass, but throws some classical and jazz influences at you as well. Chris Thile from Nickel Creek plays mandolin, and the other players are right with him on the virtuosity scale, which is saying a LOT. They played some traditional bluegrass stuff, and their more out-there pieces, and they also, out of nowhere, did a KICKASS version of "Paperback Writer." Brought down the house (Lincoln Theater--very cool venue--the shadows of the musicians played on the walls and I was overly fascinated by that--Thile looks like a funky marionette when he plays, anyway, and I had a hard time looking away from his shadow!)

Hiatt and Lovett played a little theater in Newark, Ohio (I maintain that one of them lost a bet). Just the two of them, sitting in chairs, playing guitar and singing, trading songs. (Hiatt added harmonica on a few songs.) They did a kind of stream-of-consciousness playlist--Hiatt played "Memphis in the Meantime," Lovett followed up with "Memphis Midnight/Memphis Morning"--they also took requests, which was fun. They hit everything on my wishful setlist (mainly for Hiatt--I saw Lyle with his Large Band this fall, so anything from him at this show was gravy).

The next thing I'm seeing (I hope) is Red Molly in March.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/1/2011 3:12:29 PM #

u have a very broad range of music likes.

I am so narrow and focused.

RedFaced
RedFaced
2/1/2011 2:19:35 PM #

Hey gang, I'm not dead - just feeling like it.  I'm overworked and underpaid and I'm the boss so there's no-one to really bitch to about it so oh well...

I've been trying to put together a new starter but lots of issues at work are keeping me from getting it completed.  I'll definitely keep working on it.  I also am doing some minor changes on a slightly upgraded forum for us to see what you guys and gals think about it.  The way things are going it might take me another couple of days on getting either of these ready so please bear with me.

In the meantime rejoice for there are are only 15 days remaining until pitchers and catchers report!!!

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/1/2011 3:10:47 PM #

I'll wait if that means I can post the crotch grabbing Cardinals soon

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/1/2011 4:24:55 PM #

From the Fay chat

[Comment From LauraLaura: ]
I spoke with Dusty at the Reds Caravan. I asked him about lead-off, and he said it was between Stubbs and Phillips, but he might try Bruce in there. What are your thoughts? Will Fred Lewis play any role?

Did AAT get a question in?

Amy
Amy
2/1/2011 4:43:21 PM #

I heard Missouri is closed. Or at least the way through it (I-70).

Dawginnaples
Dawginnaples
2/1/2011 4:52:55 PM #

It was hilarious watching the e-mails come in from our other operations across the country, today. Dalls closed. Kansas City closed. St. Louis closed. It was almost like watching a weather report.

RedFaced
RedFaced
2/1/2011 5:01:43 PM #

Phillips?  Bruce?   Oh good gravy it's starting already.  

Amy
Amy
2/1/2011 5:23:15 PM #

Hey, at least we still have *something* to complain about, right?

rpa
rpa
2/1/2011 5:38:23 PM #

I can complain endlessly about Dusty's lineup construction, but I am saving it for when Janish is hitting .240 and makes en error, and finds himself benched in early May for a .220 hitting guy with a stone glove.

Amy
Amy
2/1/2011 6:34:29 PM #

I'll have a nightmare about that tonight; thank you.

AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
2/1/2011 5:41:34 PM #

Sweet Jesus that's a depressing answer. Unbelievable. Fred Lewis leading off improves three spots in the order. Ugh.

Oh well.

Dawginnaples
Dawginnaples
2/1/2011 4:49:12 PM #

  I truly like the bass line on that Wipers tune but where's the lead? Like so many other Punk type bands, the guitar(s) line is pure strumming. Can't anyone from that generation carry a lead line? Probably just me, but it lacks fire. Oh well,sorry. Just the usolicited opinion of an old man.
  I'm hoping Isringhausen can hold his arm together. He's had pretty good numbers even in the seasons when his elbow blew up. If he can stay healthy, he can likely help.

rpa
rpa
2/1/2011 5:36:16 PM #

There's a lead in this one about 2 minutes in.  Just wasn't really Greg Sage's style.  I think to some extent the punks and the punk influenced guys saw it as overproduced rock excess.

www.youtube.com/watch

Dawginnaples
Dawginnaples
2/1/2011 5:55:59 PM #

  Excess what? Talent? Elite musicians stand above the crowd. Simple is good... Excellence is rarely simple (easy).
  Music is art and art is in the eye of the beholder. I know I'll never win over anyone to what I like. It's all about what you like.

RedFaced
RedFaced
2/1/2011 5:04:59 PM #

Register for opening day tickets at:

http://www.reds.com/openingday

Amy
Amy
2/1/2011 5:55:29 PM #

Language warning:

http://bluntcard.com/launch/746.php

rpa
rpa
2/1/2011 5:58:55 PM #

Language?  That's my generic name for anyone in the sales department of my office.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/1/2011 11:03:42 PM #

Watch what you say about sales!

Amy
Amy
2/1/2011 6:57:34 PM #

Someone got their version of "Paperback Writer" on video! Sweet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fj8FIksqo7w

and they just tossed that out there as a novelty piece, really. They're so freakin' good.

Dawginnaples
Dawginnaples
2/1/2011 7:08:30 PM #

As far as covers go, that is musical genius. I'll bet Hayseed Dixie sees that and does a Beatles tribute album. I have Lighthouse's Tale on my I-pod and can't hear it enough.    

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/1/2011 7:19:58 PM #

With the music conversation and the variety of tastes here, I think it would be interesting to have everyone hit shuffle on their Ipod or whatever you have and post the first 20 that come up. No cheating,guilty pleasures are expected. We all have them.

Amy
Amy
2/1/2011 7:27:30 PM #

$20 says I haven't heard of at least 7 of rpa's. I'll do it, but have to get littlest two to bed first!

rpa
rpa
2/1/2011 7:48:43 PM #

OK - this ought to be interesting because I am going to do a real shuffle (Everything I have, even the stuff I don't like that much that has made it on to my machine...).  Wow.  There's 15,967 songs on here.  I had no idea, I never paid attention.

First up."Sweetest Thing" by U2.  Gah.  This must have been on a compilation or something. I hate pretty much the last 3/4 of U2's recorded output.  I hope the rules don't say I actually have to listen to all 20.  This song is just awful.

<Skip>

#2 - "One Foot" by Polara.  These guys are from Minneapolis.  Not bad stuff.

rpa
rpa
2/1/2011 7:59:03 PM #

#3 - "Leah" by Roy Orbison.  Not one of my favorites of his... 2:30 yet somehow it seems longer.

#4 - "It Never Happened" by The National.  So far, the shuffle is treating me pretty well.  No skipping this one, although the 2nd half of it is kinda weak.  I don't think they had really figured out what they were and were not good at yet on this record.

#5 - "A Tighter Passage" by Six Finger Satellite.  This is the new, post-John "The Juan" MacLean version.  They still have flashes of brilliance on these newer records, but nothing like the original lineup.  The only band I ever saw get booed off of a stage.  Columbus just wasn't on their wavelength that day.

rpa
rpa
2/1/2011 8:12:09 PM #

#6 - "One Clear Minute" by Robert Pollard.  Of course, the song is only 0:48 long.  Dooo Dooo Dooo Dooo Dooo Dooo Dooo Dooo.

#7 - "Molly & Tenbrooks" by Bill Monroe.  He was pretty much total awesome.

#8 - "Summertime" by The Twilight Singers.  Greg Dulli is better at doing covers of other people's work than maybe anyone, ever.  The guy can cover Gershwin, Prince, The Supremes, you name it.  And there are way more hits than misses.

I find it weird at this point that of 8 tracks, I've got three from people from this corner of Ohio so far.  My music collection overall isn't skewed that local, I don't think.

#9 - "The Kill" by Joy Division.  If I recall correctly, they wrote this while they were still calling themselves Warsaw.  Definitely an early track for them.

#10 - "Ceramic Cock Einstein" by Nightwalker.    More Bob Pollard fun, I guess.  The Nightwalker record kind of sucks in my opinion.  The guy is great at throwaway pop songs.  Him recording 6 minutes of noise just doesn't do it for me.  But, the title of the Album - In Shop We Build Electric Chairs: Professional Music by Nightwalker - is pretty great.  This song?  Sounds like a guy tuning a drum kit while someone fiddles with a radio.  Plus some screaming and guitar noodling.  Meh.

Amy
Amy
2/1/2011 8:15:56 PM #

I'm now at 4.

rpa
rpa
2/1/2011 8:32:54 PM #

#11 - "Ursa Major Space Station" by Catherine Wheel.  I think there was a time when I would have called Catherine Wheel my favorite band.  And then they started putting out crappy records.

#12 - "Surgical Focus" by Guided By Voices.  Sheesh.  Bob Pollard has probably written more songs than any man alive... I wonder if he really does make up 25% of what I have on this machine.  Never was sure what to make of Ric Ocasek producing these guys, not sure it really suited them.  This song would have had more impact recorded in someone's garage on a 4-track.

#13 - "California Girls (Alternate Vocal Version)" by The Magnetic Fields.  I love Stephin Merritt.  Subject of one of the best rock interview one-liners ever.  Bob Mould once got called "the most depressed man in rock" by an interviewer, to which Bob Mould responded, "He's never met Stephin Merritt, obviously."

#14 - "A Girl In Port" by Okkervil River.   I like these guys a lot.  I think this song drags a little bit though.  Most of The Stage Names does, actually.  And this is the longest song on the record.  Worth it for the nice horn/piano/pedal steel arrangement at the end, though.

#15 - "From A Sinking Boat" by The Magnetic Fields.  Again.  This song has some sitar and clarinet action going on.

rpa
rpa
2/1/2011 8:47:19 PM #

#16 - "A New Career In A New Town" by David Bowie.  Low is my favorite Bowie album by... a lot.  I have one of those cute little 33 1/3 books about this record: www.amazon.com/.../0826416845   but I haven't got around to reading it yet.

#17 - "Freddy" by The Like Young.  I think these guys were from Chicago.  Kinda like some weird alternative universe cross between Weezer and ... something.  Not sure what.  The Spinanes?  Sure, we'll go with that.

#18 - "How Can I Love You If You Won't Lie Down" by Silver Jews.  I like Silver Jews.  I like Pavement.  Yet I think David Berman did his best work when there was a minimal amount of Stephen Malkmus evident in the songs.  Go figure.

#19 - "When You Wake Up a Snake" by Les Savy Fav.  Oh, Les Savy Fav at their worst here.  Boring.

#20 - "Purest Feeling" by Nine Inch Nails.  This is embarrassing.  Not for me, so much,  I like Nine Inch Nails.  This is off of an old bootleg - it's a pre-Pretty Hate Machine recording.  And... oh, my.  I wonder if I can find a copy of this to point people to.  That saxophone.  Oh, my lord, the cheesiness.  Truly an awful, awful song.  Entertainingly awful only because you know who recorded.  Otherwise, it's a highschool talent show-level performance with really awful angsty poetry over it.  A case for artists being able to sue people that put out bootlegs.

Oh, how I love YouTube:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-QRFzHXgug

Bwahahahhahahahahahhahaha.


Oh, that was fun.

Amy
Amy
2/1/2011 8:54:00 PM #

Eight. So close.

Amy
Amy
2/1/2011 8:54:48 PM #

Oh, never mind, I said *at least* seven. I was right.

rpa
rpa
2/1/2011 9:04:51 PM #

Good thing I didn't bet you $20, then.

Dawginnaples
Dawginnaples
2/1/2011 9:29:51 PM #

9 for me. But I should get credit for having Leah (Roy Orbison) on mine, right?

Dawginnaples
Dawginnaples
2/1/2011 9:30:55 PM #

OK- no laughing
1- Boondocks- Little Big Town
2- Pink- Aersmith
- Under Pressure- Queen
4- Hotel California- Hayseed Dixie
5- I wanna be Sedated- Ramones
6- For You Blue- Beatles
7- Two Highways- Alison Krauss
8- Waiting on a friend- Rolling Stones
9- White Room- Cream
10- Patience- Guns and Roses
11- TrenchTown- Bob Marley
12- All I Wanna Do- Sheryl Crow
13- Blue Money- Van Morrison
14- Have a Cigar- Pink Floyd
15- I Just Called...- Stevie Wonder
16- Better Man- Pearl Jam
17- Flat Picking- Nickel Creek
18-Past Time- Baseball Project
19- Norwegian Wood- Beatles
20- What I Got- Sublime

Amy
Amy
2/1/2011 9:34:29 PM #

Nickel Creek! And I have that Little Big Town album, too. My list is probably going to be twangier than anyone else's.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/1/2011 9:44:05 PM #

Interesting...Sublime to Hayseed Dixie and a bunch in the middle.

The one thing you won't find on my list is country. The closest thing you might find is Darius Rucker but from the old Hootie days. Wait....I do have a little Johnny Cash somewhere in there.

rpa
rpa
2/1/2011 10:28:16 PM #

I was going to laugh because I thought at first that said Nickelback.  But it says Nickel Creek.  That's more like it.

I listen to almost everything, but I really don't like reggae.

And I should get some Van Morrison.  I don't seem to have any except on records that I never listen to because I'm always listening to the iPod or the computer these days.

Dawginnaples
Dawginnaples
2/1/2011 9:34:05 PM #

Soccer? While we're waiting on the redhead?

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/1/2011 9:35:40 PM #

this could get ugly with some backyardigans, disney and the wifes stuff in here. I'm sure some hair metal stuff will be the first lottery ball to pop. Yoju should bet $20 you'll know all of mine.

So Watcha Want Beasties
Garden Grove Sublime
Big Empty STP
Higher Ground Chili Peppers
Welcome to Paradise Green Day
Them Bones Alice in Chains
Elegantly Wasted INXS
Underground Ben Folds Five
Uh oh Anyway You Want It Journey(that one is mine)
Cup of Tea the Verve Pipe
Ugh November Rain
Mad World Tears for Fears
Two Hearts Beat as One U2
I Go To Extremes Billy J
Thin Air(finally)Pearl Jam
Keep On Loving You The Donnas
Everybody Wants to Rule the World Tears for Fears
Say Hello to Heaven Temple of the Dog
Epic Faith No More
One Angry Dwarf and 200 Solemn Faces

Could have been worse.

Amy
Amy
2/1/2011 9:44:49 PM #

I was surprised no Billy Joel or Ben Folds came up on mine.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/1/2011 9:50:43 PM #

The Billy Joel is from my wifes collection. I like some of it. He a great song writer. There's and ass load of Ben folds PJ and rock made between 1989 and 1997 then came the dark ages.

I love a live band no matter what genre though. Give me a drink and a small venue and I'm in heaven(any small dive in New Orleans will do)

rpa
rpa
2/1/2011 10:31:08 PM #

You can say ugh about November Rain now, but it's an interesting piece of work.  I think it kinda seemed like an instant cliche when it came out... and time hasn't been all that kind to it.  But at least they were trying something different at a time when almost nobody making "hit" records was.  And they did that over the top video for it, too.

VottoLoco
VottoLoco
2/1/2011 11:33:34 PM #

Little known fact about Garden Grove: apparently in the 50s and 60s, kids in Long Beach called it Garbage Grove.  This is all from my SoCal-raised English professor.  The wife and I actually attended church in Garden Grove when we went down to Disneyland in August.  Nice little place; nice people.

Also--and this will make me seem young--until recently, I had no idea that Mad World was a Tears for Fears song.  Gary Jules' was the only version I knew.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/1/2011 9:37:27 PM #

I got to 5 on RPA's list...Just the hits baby, thats my iPod

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/1/2011 9:40:55 PM #

I ended up with Social D at 21 then Foo Fighters then the theme from Superman?

Dawginnaples
Dawginnaples
2/1/2011 9:47:25 PM #

Was the Social D "Kick out the Jams"?

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/1/2011 10:09:46 PM #

Nope...Ball and Chain but after that conversation I made sure I had the original

rpa
rpa
2/1/2011 10:32:10 PM #

I saw Social Distortion at Bogarts a couple of years ago.  They can still bring it.  But man, Mike Ness looks old.

Have you ever checked out any of Mike Ness' solo stuff?  Really great (if you like old Country & Western especially).

Amy
Amy
2/2/2011 9:25:46 AM #

They're playing this spring in Columbus.

Amy
Amy
2/1/2011 9:43:14 PM #

1. Please Help Me, I'm Falling--Hank Locklin (see, already twangy)
2. Weaving Way--Michelle Shocked
3. In Your Eyes--Peter Gabriel (~sigh~ Lloyd Dobler)
4. If It Is Growing--Fanfarlo
5. Poor Places--Wilco
6. Storms--Nanci Griffith
7. Saints--The Breeders
8. Sixty Acres--James McMurtry
9. Melting in the Sun--INXS (be quiet, it was the 80s)
10. Be My Life's Companion--The Mills Brothers
11. Belong--R.E.M.
12. We're All in This Together--Old Crow Medicine Show
13. Hard On Me--Tom Petty
14. Bayou Song--Lyle Lovett
15. Dust and a Shadow--Shriekback
16. Symphony #3 (Royal Philharmonic)--Beethoven
17. Vistas--Edgar Meyer/Mark O'Connor/Yo-Yo Ma
18. Pass the Mic--Beastie Boys
19. Down on Your Back--Ida
20. God Save the Queen--the Sex Pistols

Amy
Amy
2/1/2011 9:46:08 PM #

I skipped Christmas music and kids' songs--figured those didn't count.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/1/2011 11:33:31 PM #

Kids songs most certainly count!

Amy
Amy
2/2/2011 12:00:02 AM #

Well, then, mentally add something by Laurie Berkner.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/2/2011 12:04:07 AM #

She's kinda cute too, if I'm not mistaken.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/1/2011 9:54:52 PM #

No shame for the 80's...I'm lucky some Poison or Bryan Adams didn't pop up. At least INXS was sort of cool.

Not one REM song on my iPod...never dug it. I think Tom Petty might be the most twangy thing I have? He's a florida cracker.

Dawginnaples
Dawginnaples
2/1/2011 10:05:03 PM #

I'm amazed at all the music that cam out of that small part of Florida. Petty, Skynnyrd, Stevie Nicks, lots of Country acts. Didn't know that until I moved down here. One of my favorite tunes to crank while running open water in the boat is "Where the Streets Have No Name". Makes me crank the throttle and the volume.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/1/2011 10:14:57 PM #

One of my favorite small venue acts is Sister Hazel from the same area.

We had a nice little run here in Orlando with Seven Mary Three(went to HS with 2 of them), Creed(megalomaniac although Tremonti is talented), Match Box 20 and VonRa in the mid 90's.

rpa
rpa
2/1/2011 10:37:10 PM #

Nothing embarrassing about INXS.  I had all those records.  They got a little silly toward the end, but the records they put out around the mid 80s were pretty good.

Did they go through with that thing where they had a reality show to find a new lead singer?  I remember hearing about that a few years ago.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/1/2011 10:59:44 PM #

1-  Take Me to The Pilot            Elton John
2-  Taxman                          The Beatles
3-  Neighborhood#4                  Arcade Fire
4-  Largo:Water Music               GF Handel
5-  Cruel To Be Kind                Nick Lowe
6-  Solitary Man                    Johnny Cash
7-  Babe,I'm Gonna Leave You        Led Zeppelin
8-  Have You Seen Her               Chi-Lites
9-  Mansin Humanity                 State Radio
10-The Mary Martin Show             New Pornographers
11-Darling Be Home Soon             Joe Cocker
12-Melissa                          Allman Brothers
13-The Very Last Time               Utopia
14-Anyway,Anyhow,Anywhere            The Who
15-Pastime with Good Company        Jethro Tull
16-Have A Heart                     Bonnie Raitt
17-Empty Hearts                     Alison Krauss
18-Inside                           Jethro Tull
19-Old Times Good Times             Stephen Stills
20-Joey                             Grace Potter and The Nocturnals

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/1/2011 11:28:45 PM #

Wow! Nothing too embarrassing popped up on mine. Squirrels In My Pants from Phineas and Ferb is really a lot of fun. I have a few Billy Joel songs. I really appreciate a writer that has a way with lyrics.I'm surprised some old Aerosmith didn't show up or more classical. I'm also surprised no Queen songs showed up. Sheer Heart Attack is one of my favorite albums.Soccerson turned me on to State Radio and Matisyahu. Matisyahu's guitar player just kills it.I think Dawg's list and mine have some similarities.

VottoLoco
VottoLoco
2/1/2011 11:56:30 PM #

Sometimes the wife and I will watch Phineas and Ferb after the kids go to bed...is that wrong?

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/2/2011 12:06:04 AM #

No,It's an absolutely hilarious show. I also think Wizards of Waverly Place is funny too. It had me laughing out loud the other day.

VottoLoco
VottoLoco
2/2/2011 12:08:23 AM #

Yeah, we're big Selena Gomez fans here.  She has great comedic timing for a corn-fed Disney starlet.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/2/2011 12:37:36 AM #

I agree 100%

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/2/2011 8:46:17 AM #

you guys are insane! I am so Disney channeled out. You can't get enough Phineas and Ferb though. Selena Gomez? Those shows "Saved By The Bell" you sometimes. What I mean by that is no matter how awful it really is you can't stop watching it and there is no real explanation.

I try to keep my distance and make the kids watch in the other room.

Oddly my nickname for my son when he's acting like a fool is Doofensmirtz.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/2/2011 12:38:37 PM #

Wizards is so much better than Saved By The Bell. The story lines are better,the characters are funnier. Phineas and Ferb is funny on a lot of different levels like the old Bugs Bunny cartoons were.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/2/2011 12:41:40 PM #

That hideous Sweet Life of Zack and Cody is more like Saved By the Bell. I just want to take those two kids and smack the crap out of them. No real reason, I just don't like their face.

VottoLoco
VottoLoco
2/2/2011 12:59:54 PM #

Saved by the Bell was cheesy, but Zack and Cody is bad on so many more levels.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/2/2011 1:16:06 PM #

You're right about that. I do like that the Miller Light driver is on the show.

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
2/1/2011 11:48:28 PM #

It disturbs me that this picture makes me kind of happy on the inside. http://yfrog.com/h5ms9cj

VottoLoco
VottoLoco
2/1/2011 11:50:11 PM #

Ok, I'll play:

1. Propellerheads - Better?
2. Blur - Girls and Boys (Live)
3. Kinks - Apeman
4. Strokes - What Ever Happened (One of my faves)
5. Coldplay - God Put a Smile upon Your Face (just for you, Scotty)
6. Modest Mouse - Invisible
7. Radiohead - Scatterbrain (not a big fan of Hail to the Thief...)
8. Howard Shore - The Forbidden Pool (I keep LOTR soundtrack stuff on hand for when I'm writing)
9. Radiohead - Everything in its Right Place
10. Doves - Satellites (GREAT band. If you haven't checked them out, do it. Now. GO!)
11. Death Cab for Cutie - Steadier Footing (one of the few bands who, I think, was worse when they started out.  I prefer the later stuff)
12. The Shins - Black Wave
13. On - Slingshot
14. Supergrass - Far Away
15. Propellerheads - Velvet Pants (fun song)
16. Queens of the Stone Age - The Lullaby (very haunting--love it)
17. The Libertines - Don't Look Back into the Sun (I missed this band during their 15 minutes, but I love them now)
18. Rodrigo y Gabriela - Savitri (if you like acoustic guitar, these guys are NUTS)
19. Radiohead - Karma Police (c'mon Thom, give someone else a chance)
20. Smashing Pumpkins - The Everlasting Gaze (I miss them...)

Amy
Amy
2/2/2011 9:27:46 AM #

Did The Shins change your life?

You guys are going to have me downloading more stuff--I already spend too much money on music.

VottoLoco
VottoLoco
2/2/2011 12:39:22 PM #

They did not, and I haven't even seen Garden State, but I get the reference.  In fact, I kind of got tired of The Shins after a short while, so I usually skip anything by them that comes except Phantom Limb.

Mary
Mary
2/1/2011 11:53:24 PM #

1. Love's Like That  Boney James
2. Hell No--Toby Keith
3. Saturday Night's Alright--Elton John
4. Life on a Chain--Pete Yorn
5. Three for the Road--Mark Holland
6.  Mystery Game--Clannad
7.  Sing a Study in Brown--Manhattan TRTransfer
8.Again--Brooks and Dunn
9. SEcond Best--Bare Naked Ladies
10.  The Blues Man--Alan Jackson
11.  MOazrt--Horn Concerto
12. Kissing a Fook--Michaek Bublei
13. Falling for the first Time--Bare Naked Ladies
14.  Break in the Cup--David Wilcox
16. You'll Think of Me--Keith Urban
17.  When I Fall in Love--Linda Rondstadt
18. Anthem--Fourplay
19.  The Four Seasons--Vivaldi
20. You Make Loving Fun--Fleetwood Mac

I must say that with over 11000 songs on my Ipod, the mix is rather strange.  I must admit the I've probably never listened to more than half of them even once

VottoLoco
VottoLoco
2/1/2011 11:58:51 PM #

Love Pete Yorn.  I sure hope Kissing a Fook isn't a Welsh song...

Amy
Amy
2/2/2011 9:30:37 AM #

That whole series Linda Ronstadt did w/the orchestra was excellent. I was already slightly obsessed w/30s-40s torch songs when her albums came out, so I loved those. Came out when I was in high school, maybe? Checking...yep.

Mary
Mary
2/1/2011 11:54:33 PM #

There may be a typo (or two) in my post....

Mary
Mary
2/1/2011 11:59:25 PM #

I'm amazed that there is not more overlap in lists;  how many songs do most of you have on your Ipod?  I have my favorite play lists, and tend to ignore most of the rest unless I am looking for something specific

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/2/2011 12:38:46 AM #

I've got about 3500.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/2/2011 8:40:39 AM #

you guys are crazy...15,000, 3500 and i'm sure Amy has in the thousands.

I guess since I only took the songs I really liked off my CD collection I have much fewer. My list is close to 850...thats it. I still have to put my bootleg PJ stuff on itunes though. I got the CD's for the concerts we went to last year for Christmas.

Amy
Amy
2/2/2011 9:23:16 AM #

Around 7500. It was easier to put the entire CD collection on than pick & choose. And I went through a phase of trying to get everything I'd had on cassette, too. Didn't quite make it, but I did get the most important stuff.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/2/2011 12:33:40 PM #

I have a Zune. $15.00 per month all you can eat. If your subscription runs out,you lose them except for what you buy. The $15.00 also gives you 10 downloads to keep forever. You can load anything you have on CD to the device too,just like Ipod. I like it because I can try stuff I haven't heard and see if I like it without buying. The device is also sturdy,which is a plus for me because I drop things a lot.

Dawginnaples
Dawginnaples
2/2/2011 6:50:40 PM #

  20 LPs, 250 cassettes, 300+ CDs, and about 6000 songs on a remote hard drive. I lost about 3500 tunes when my last desktop crashed. I was on CTrents old space & listening to a ball game when that happened. Huge bummer because some of that stuff was old rare stuff transposed from reel tape.

Dawginnaples
Dawginnaples
2/2/2011 6:54:30 PM #

...also about 1100 on a Phillips RaGa pod. That's probably 1100 out of the 6000 on the hard drive.

btalbert25
btalbert25
2/2/2011 11:56:25 AM #

I don't even have an IPod lol.

AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
2/2/2011 1:40:59 AM #

I have all my music on my office computer, and only my favorite stuff on my phone. So I feel really left out of tonite's conversation.

To bring me back into it, here's a fantastic list of the 10 Worst People in Sports, with every Reds fan's favorite manager! deadspin.com/.../the-worst-men-in-sports

Amy
Amy
2/2/2011 9:22:04 AM #

Some BEAUTIFUL quotes in that section on LaRussa. Chutes and Ladders...heh.

AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
2/2/2011 2:08:57 AM #

Also, I added fun picture to the thread starter.

I need to get out of the house...

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/2/2011 8:36:28 AM #

when did you shave the mustache?

Amy
Amy
2/2/2011 9:32:10 AM #

Beautiful.

rpa
rpa
2/2/2011 12:08:33 PM #

Hadn't seen that picture in a long time.  Heh.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/2/2011 12:44:19 PM #

I hope Monkey Poop is OK. I heard something on the news about violence. He's not that bad.

Amy
Amy
2/2/2011 4:54:30 PM #

The United States of Beer:

http://vvoice.vo.llnwd.net/e7/5906392.0.jpg

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/2/2011 6:51:54 PM #

I've had so many of those fine brews. Not sure how MGD 64 is Florida's submission.

Dawginnaples
Dawginnaples
2/2/2011 6:57:40 PM #

How about Black Mac from Holy Mackeral Brewing. I get it at Hurricane Grill in Naples. Similar to a stought but has a bit of chocolate aftertaste. Very creamy and thick and now I think I need a couple.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/2/2011 7:02:06 PM #

Anything over MGD 64, c'mon. Bama gets Keystone Light. Did they give West Va Mountain Dew?

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/2/2011 7:09:12 PM #

just made the error of checking out Fays blog as he stupidly asks readers for their opinions once again. The idiots, morons and sh!t stirrers were out in force.

Who gets the last spot? Why ask these things? I'd like to see a couple of ST innings before everyone argues something so stupid. All you can really say is that its likely(we did this last year) we bring an extra bat with us from AZ until the schedule becomes consistent. Heisey has the inside track because he's been here but the need for a LH bat off the bench is essential.

rpa
rpa
2/2/2011 7:30:16 PM #

The great thing is that I am in Ohio.  Even better, right now I am enjoying one of the fine Great Lakes Brewery products that the state of Ohio is apparently known for.  The Commodore Perry IPA is a winner.  And, of course, has the great saying on the front of the bottle: "Don't Give Up The Sip."

Indeed, I shall not give it up.

I like how Nevada got Four Loko.  Classy stuff.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/2/2011 7:42:25 PM #

real classy...I can get some Great lakes down here. Had a couple nice ones while fishing on Lake Erie in October. Don't recall the names. I'd like to try their IPA.

rpa
rpa
2/2/2011 8:31:55 PM #

Great Lakes is the Ohio equivalent to Bell's... I am not sure they have ever made a bad beer*

*I hate the Holy Moses witbier they make, but I really dislike that entire style, so it hardly seems fair to judge it.  It's kind of like saying the steak at some fancy restaurant sucks, without disclosing that you hate steak.

Amy
Amy
2/2/2011 9:16:51 PM #

Did Virginia get PBR in an ironic hipster sense, or is that really the beer most connected with the state? I lived there for 4 years and don't remember seeing that much of it.

rpa
rpa
2/2/2011 9:55:27 PM #

NoVa, "college towns" = Ironic Hipster
Rest of the state = honestly a favorite

Funny how the cities take the lives of those in the hinterlands to be ironic.  Think "Beverly Hillbillies".

rpa
rpa
2/2/2011 8:45:14 PM #

Going back to the music conversation.... apropos of nothing, I really like Mumford & Sons.  I know they are brits posing as bluegrass guys, but I'm OK with it.  The music is good.

Regarding the Reds... the more I think about it, the more I hate that contract they signed Cueto to.  I really hope that thing doesn't come back to bite them in the ass.  I also think the Volquez one-year deal means one of two things... either the Reds have no confidence in him or he doesn't want to be here long-term.  I think I am about ready to move him in front of Bailey on the "guy that will be traded for a righty bat" list I am keeping...

rpa
rpa
2/2/2011 8:58:29 PM #

Incindentally, this Mumford and Sons record is an example of why I will give a bonus to "authenticity", but why I won't take points away from someone who "seems" to be faking it.  

This review is an example of why I don't read a specific music site any longer:

pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/13906-sigh-no-more/

Meh.

Reminds me a bit of folks that criticize Brandon Phillips interest in the kids and fans and the smile on his face as "fake".

'Art", just like a "public persona" that a guy like BP projects, is artifice.  Some folks mean it, some folks don't.  I am not sure how much it matters.  

I like Mumford and Sons because it sounds good.  I like Brandon Phillips (from a fan perspective) because he seems like a nice guy.  Do I care that the band is a bunch of kids from London trying to rip off something that seems trendy?  Do I dislike BP because I think he's faking that smile to endear himself to the fanbase so he can get a bigger contract than his average-ish play deserves?  It is an interesting question.  But there is a big difference between liking someone and respecting them, I guess.

AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
2/2/2011 11:11:14 PM #

Pitchfork is a site for music snobs only. It's like they don't actually like the music; they like knowing more than you do about music.

Mumford and Sons is fantastic, and saying they're 'inauthentic' is being contrary for contrary's sake. They're not talking musically; after all, there's no such thing as an 'honest' chord progression or arrangement that has 'integrity.' If they're talking lyrically, they're judging a person's intentions with no real cause or evidence to do so. I've read/seen nothing that tells me this isn't just a group of musicians playing for the love of music (and getting paid handsomely to do so).

rpa
rpa
2/3/2011 12:14:56 AM #

See, you get it.  Sometimes, it's just about the music.  Not what it "means"... or where it came from.

I am one of the worst people about dissecting music.  But deconstruction will only get you so far.  I guess I will only follow Derrida to a certain point.  Ultimately, what something is (not what its parts are) is what matters.  Not that I am inclined (and certainly, not obliged) to follow Searle or Foucault to the other side of the argument... but there's a middle ground.

Mumford & Sons music lives there.  If you try to figure out what it "means", what the parts really are... there isn't much there.  But I am ultimately not listening to music because of my love of music theory or because I am trying to figure something out.  You know, I just want to hear a good song.

AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
2/3/2011 12:28:07 AM #

I used to be very 'snobbish' about music; then I realized I loved pop-punk and that I had no business looking down on ANYONE else. Since that epiphany, I've been able to enjoy whatever sounds good to me.

My only line when it comes to music is whether or not I'm listening to a real musician. If I find out I'm being sold a label creation or an artist singing/playing the songs of professional songwriters, I'm out.

rpa
rpa
2/3/2011 2:38:33 AM #

I don't even look down on "label creations".  I knew people that worked for Sony in the early 90s and I know about Pearl Jam.

<ducking>

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/3/2011 6:38:00 PM #

Most of Pearl jam was a band before they were "created". Created or not....poser or not I love them. I loved Ten but rarely listen to anything off Ten except Oceans and Black. I do think they really sucked for a couple years after Vitology but lately its been very good.

Most "music snobs" hate PJ and I don't care. Theu put them up against other bands of the era and say one is better than another. I love them all. Soundgargen and AIC are unreal. SG broke up and Layne Staley is dead. Nirvana had some great stuff too but Cobain is dead. Mudhoney got no mainstream love but they were great too.

I just like what I like. Kinda what you guyz just said

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/3/2011 9:45:13 AM #

To hell with the critics.Not just in music, but in everything.If it makes your day go better and it doesn't hurt anyone, I'm in. I like Taylor Swift. Take away my man card if you feel you need to, but I think she's lyrically honest and writes catchy tunes. You know what? I also put ketchup on a hot dog once in a while and I over cook fish because I don't like wet fish. Kill me for it!
Age and experience have taught me there's always going to be someone who doesn't like what you like. Be it women,music,food,sports,raising your kids or the way you cut your hair,someone is not going to like it.They can fall in line behind the rest of the people who don't like it and I go on my merry way.That's the best thing about this board. We may disagree with each other, but we're all good with it.

AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
2/2/2011 11:18:30 PM #

And the Phillips stuff is insane, and not just because it's impossible to judge Brandon's intentions. Everything people dislike about BP (his sometimes laziness; his absent-mindedness; his mouthiness) reflects the personality of a person who cares as much about having fun as he does winning and someone who can't be singularly focused on a game the way others (read: Votto, Rolen) can.

Guess what? Neither could I, and I'm guessing, neither could many of us. Obviously, Phillips is a human being who plays baseball, not just a baseball player (if that makes sense). And it's THAT type of person who would go above and beyond for the fans/sign autographs/laugh when you're losing/watch a double off the wall like a homer/etc.

Nothing about Phillips looks inauthentic; if anything, his antics on the field are right in line with his personality off of it.

rpa
rpa
2/3/2011 12:16:57 AM #

I don't really respect Phillips.  If he spent more time trying to play baseball instead of trying to look good playing baseball, he'd be a better ballplayer.

That said, I don't dislike the guy (aside from when he gets a single on a ball off of the wall or gives up yet another infield single because he doesn't run on grounders to the left side).

I hope he really is having fun.  If he's not, he must be making himself miserable acting like he is.

AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
2/3/2011 12:32:46 AM #

Some people approach baseball as a job; some approach it as a game; others look at it as some of both (that's most people).

With this Reds team, you have extreme opposites. Guys like Volquez and Phillips treat baseball as a hobby, and their attitudes are magnified by the approaches by Votto and Rolen and Bronson.

I think most of us who aren't pro athletes would be more like Voltron and BP - that's why we're not athletes. So on a personal level, I imagine I'd have more fun getting a beer with Phillips than I would Votto. On the other hand, it sure looks like Volquez and Phillips both have more talent than production, and so as a baseball fan, I'd prefer the 'job' mentality to the 'game' mentality.

I don't know what that means completely. I like Phillips - he seems like a cool guy and he can do some amazing things on the baseball field. At the same time, I sure as crap don't trust him, and I wonder if he'll look back and wonder if he had taken things more seriously just how good he could have been.

rpa
rpa
2/3/2011 2:41:01 AM #

I guess I identify more with Rolen... but maybe that's because I just gave up work for the night at 2:30 AM.  

Of course, ask any one in Philly what they think of Rolen.  He doesn't have many fans there.

Impressions of people are fleeting.

Dawginnaples
Dawginnaples
2/3/2011 7:19:30 AM #

bingo - rapidly changing. I hope BP's image takes a slight adjustment towards wanting to be a HOFer and/or perennial all-star because I think he could.

btalbert25
btalbert25
2/3/2011 11:47:46 AM #

I believe Phillips is very good and question how many 2nd basemen have the Reds had who were better.  I also question how many 2nd basemen in the National League are better than Phillips right now.  Maybe he's reached the level of success he has, because he has so much fun and approaches the game like a kid.  So he has a couple brain farts a year big deal.  A lot of players do.  When you try to be someone you aren't, you likely won't preform as well.

I played at a high level in high school and some ball in college.  I pitched in some pretty big games with a lot of pressure.  When I went out there, relaxed and enjoyed myself and had fun on the field, I was unhittable.  It's when I'd go out there and try to treat it as taking care of business that I'd Eff up.  I'd try to be to perfect and would always have a catastrophe.  

Is Phillips a HOF talent, I don't think so, but he is damn good and I'm sure happy to have him here.  I've read on here many times that people like myself were way off base thinking Stubbs or Bruce should've been sent down last year when there were struggling.  However, no one has criticized those who thought Phillips should be traded, let go, or benched fo Valaika or another minor leaguer.  He may not have set the world on fire, but where do you think this team would've been without him in the lineup virtually every day.  I think he is one of the most underappreciated players on the team and it's all because he has watched a couple of balls he thought were homers that weren't.  

AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
2/3/2011 12:01:09 PM #

Well, WE may under appreciate him, but I don't think Reds fans as a whole do. I think he's the most popular guy on the team, really. I can only get to a couple games a year so I make sure to take everything in when I do, and my wife and I both noticed that there's a LOT promoting BP at GABP. If you walked in off the street, you'd think he was the best player on the team the way his face is everywhere. And once the game started, his cheers were equaled only by Bruce (this was a few days after the clinching homer).

Point is, I don't think he has many people calling for his head in Cincinnati, even if a certain someone on this board wrote a much too long starter trying to run him out of town last year (now who could that have been...).

AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
2/3/2011 12:05:27 PM #

By the way, I'm 80% sure I retracted my letter to Phillips. It sounds like something someone as melodramatic as me would have done anyway.

At any rate, I used to not like Brandon. The August series against the Cardinals changed everything.

btalbert25
btalbert25
2/3/2011 12:35:20 PM #

Honestly, though he played horribly in that series, the comments he made and the fight that ensued, completely turned around the Reds and for that matter the Cards.  He gave the team the spark they needed to not just roll over and die like the old Reds would have.  He's not my favorite player on the team, but I d feel like people undervalue him, and not just on this site.  Of course you can't guge the overall attitude of a fan base by the crazies who call in to radio shows and some the comment on other sites, but there were/are people wh wouldn't mind seeing him go, and I just can't understand it.  We'd be hard pressed to find a better player 2nd baseman that's for sure.  

Just as I have come around on Stubbs though, I'm glad you have come around on Phillips.  Now if those 2 and Bruce can all have successful seasons, this team is going to be quite a force to reckon with.

Redwakeup
Redwakeup
2/3/2011 1:18:00 PM #

AAT, I must have been away from the blog at the time that a certain un-named someone was ex-communicated. Could you e-mail me about this. I really did not know what happened. Just curious.

AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
2/3/2011 3:15:05 PM #

Long story short: Phillips was having a rough week, culminating in a close Red's loss that they could have won, theoretically, if he had hustled on a fly ball that was eventually dropped by a Houston outfielder.

Tired of his nonsense, I wrote a much too long and much too dramatic starter that was my note breaking up with Brandon Phillips. I detailed the last few years of antics, and eventually said I'd no longer be a fan, and that while I would cheer for him as long as he was in a Reds uniform, that I could no longer 'really' root for him, and would welcome a trade. It was meant to be funny, but probably came across as more than a little creepy.

Anyway, right around that time, Dusty called him out, he started to hit, and I pretended I never wrote anything of the sort. Eventually (I think in August?) I took back my sentiments in another starter.

So that's the story. I could have just as easily explained that I'm just fickle and a little insane, but it is what it is.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/3/2011 3:33:34 PM #

Your insanity is the reason we like you.

btalbert25
btalbert25
2/3/2011 4:19:44 PM #

You weren't the only one who felt that way though.  I actually respect the way you share your opinion, and feel that way about everyone who currently contributes on this site.  My opinions above weren't directed at anyone in particular, they mostly stemmed from an overall frustration I had during the season.  It was more a reaction to the fools on the radio and their callers.

I hate, hate, hate more than anything else, when people who only watch a game here or there but see the one or 2 times Phillips hot dogs or hear on the radio that Phillips didn't leg one out, and all the sudden they act like he is a waste of space or there are better options available.  It's one thing to watch the team and love the team like all of us here do, but so many people who were chiming in on it, couldn't tell you more than about 5 players on the Reds or what record they had last year.  

Sorry, I had to vent.  They were the same fans who complained about Griffey not legging out grounders yet they'd complain about him getting hurt when he was hustling.  

rpa
rpa
2/3/2011 6:51:10 PM #

Once you get a reputation for anything (being lazy, only hitting homers when they don't matter, taking third strikes) you start to become a victim of confirmation bias.

I still think Phillips is overrated offensively and I still think he's overpaid, but you are right - he's probably the best option.  There just aren't that many great 2Bs out there, and the reason is that if you have a good arm, you end up a short, and if you have a good bat, you end up at first base.  Maybe my problem is that I don't like second basemen.

Probably all stems from a year in little league when I had to play 1st base on a team with a left-handed 2B.  Talk about an adventure.  Spent most of the season picking balls out of the dirt.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/3/2011 6:42:46 PM #

wasn't Redwakeup referring to someone else?

AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
2/3/2011 7:18:34 PM #

Now that you mention it, I believe he was. I'm a moron. And I'll e-mail him.

rpa
rpa
2/3/2011 7:25:23 PM #

"I'm a moron.  And I'll e-mail him."

I am convinced this is the internal dialog going on in the heads of most of my co-workers when they decide to send me something.

rpa
rpa
2/3/2011 7:25:36 PM #

I just want to see how tiny the reply box can get.

rpa
rpa
2/3/2011 7:26:00 PM #

I want to see if I can break this thing... heh

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
2/3/2011 7:27:49 PM #

??

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
2/3/2011 7:28:29 PM #

In other (small) news, Laynce Nix is a Washington Nat.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/3/2011 7:30:09 PM #

it gets real small then bigger

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/3/2011 7:30:56 PM #

I think Laynce Nix is a Nat deserves a bigger headline.

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
2/3/2011 7:31:36 PM #

I think the size of your post fits the worth of his mention. He was all but gone here, w/ Hermida and Lewis.

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
2/3/2011 7:31:47 PM #

Oh geeze.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/3/2011 7:34:30 PM #

Will Redfaced's c

rpa
rpa
2/3/2011 8:56:51 PM #

cneatoanirene

rpa
rpa
2/2/2011 9:59:48 PM #

Right now I am listening to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMqcx3tbuso

You should have been listening to it 17 years ago.  Thhhpppt.  Long live John Reis!

Timothy Wyant
Timothy Wyant
2/3/2011 12:52:28 PM #

Pettitte is retiring.  The wailing and gnashing of teeth you hear are Yanks fans everywhere searching for a #3 pitcher.

RedFaced
RedFaced
2/3/2011 1:18:40 PM #

Awesome, the Reds have their #3 starter the question is what will the Yanks give us in return.  

btalbert25
btalbert25
2/3/2011 1:32:51 PM #

That's a great though.  You know they will overpay too because they Reds aren't a  threat to them, and the Yanks always want to win and spare not cost.  If they could get a great deal put together I would be all for it.  I guess the question is, which pitcher do you send them?

I doubt they'd take Leake, and I'm not sure I'd want Wood, Volquez, or Cueto to be the one.  I don't know if Bronson has a no trade clause or not, but he's not likely to be one of the choices.  I'm guess it would be Homer.  That could actually end up being a great deal in the end.  Deal a guy who has never really lived up to expectations but has great talent.  Get something great in return for him.  I'm not sure he could handle the pressure of playing for New York.

Mary
Mary
2/3/2011 5:23:18 PM #

and now a chance for me to stick up for someone I feel gets called out more than warranted--Homer Bailey. I'd rather lose EV than Homer if push comes to shove.  I think Homer is another of the Reds' players who has finally matured to the point that his potential is about to become real performance (call me on this if this is not the case come October)

AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
2/3/2011 5:32:37 PM #

I agree! I've always thought Homer was the guy who would go because of the lack of options (not to mention his talent that could potentially bring back something really good in return), but if it's between him and Voltron, sorry for EV. As I noted at the end of the season, I would have given Bailey a playoff start; after he came back from the DL, he was THE single best starter the Reds had.

btalbert25
btalbert25
2/4/2011 9:39:49 AM #

I definitely don't want to see Homer go, I too figured it was because he didn't have options.  Maybe the fact I've been hearing a lot about Volquez lately because of the contract too.  Truthfully, I'd like that option to be neither, but there's just no way the Yankees would deal for Leake as their number 3.  I just didn't see any of the other guys as pitchers the Reds would want to deal.  

AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
2/3/2011 3:11:20 PM #

Sounds like Uncle Walt expects Leake to be in the rotation: sportsillustrated.cnn.com/.../index.html?eref=sihp

I suppose he could be in the minors, but that quote definitely sounds like he's talking about the Reds.

I've been saying all along the Reds aren't going into the season with six starters. I still think they trade someone in the Spring. You've got six guys, plus Chapman, plus two guys who were fantastic injury fill ins last year (Maloney, LeCure). There's just very little sense in keeping all six guys.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/3/2011 6:44:27 PM #

reds won't trade a starter. Leake will start in AAA.

rpa
rpa
2/3/2011 7:01:05 PM #

I wonder if the Yanks would part with an outfielder for Volquez or Bailey.  I would trade one of them for Gardner.

Much like when the Reds traded from a surplus (Hamilton) to get a need (Volquez), they can do it again.  Trade from a surplus of promising young-ish pitchers to get something they need (a guy who gets on base enough to hit leadoff and is fast enough for a boneheaded manager to actually put him in the lineup there).

Votto could get 150 RBIs with a real leadoff hitter in front of him.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/3/2011 4:17:24 PM #

I drove downtown today and got my Yankees 4Pack. Soccerson,The Little Guy and I are going to be seeing the Yanks,Blue Jays ,Indians and Rockies. Soccerdaughter's boyfriend is a Tribe fan, so he may sub for Soccerson that game. I've never seen the Yankees in person. I saw the Jays in Toronto in the old CNE Stadium in 1985. The place was over run with seagulls. I guess they were not technically sea gulls since Toronto is by a lake, but they were big ,white annoying birds that crapped on everything and made a hellacious noise.

AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
2/3/2011 4:30:45 PM #

I've seen the Yankees once in a packed Kauffman Stadium in Kansas City, the year they were kinda good then terrible again. They DESTROYED the Yankees, giving the 40,000 fans something to cheer about for the first time since 1985. It was really cool.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/3/2011 4:54:55 PM #

Soccerson likes the Yankees.I think he does it to get on my nerves. After all, that's what teenagers do for a living. For the last few years he's been so busy in the summer with soccer that we really haven't had a lot of time to do things like this. It's going to be cool to do this before he heads off to college.

rpa
rpa
2/3/2011 6:56:05 PM #

I think there's a Craig Ferguson joke in there somewhere...

"Big, white, annoying, crapping on everything, making a hellacious noise... remind you of anyone?"

Amy
Amy
2/3/2011 8:04:54 PM #

His wife had a baby today, so depending on the size of said baby, that joke may be extremely appropriate.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/3/2011 9:47:28 PM #

Our former Glorious Leader and chief moderator of the previous site ? Or maybe me? No I'm the other big, dopey slobbery thing laying around the house.
I've probably seen like ten minutes of Craig Fergusons show. I'd probably like it but I'm just not a late night TV guy anymore.

rpa
rpa
2/3/2011 9:51:32 PM #

I am not really a late nite TV guy anymore, either.  That is why they invented the DVR.

Soccerdad13
Soccerdad13
2/3/2011 10:19:15 PM #

I'm so 20th century!

Grizzlyfox
Grizzlyfox
2/3/2011 5:27:36 PM #

DatDudeBP Brandon Phillips
I'm eatin @Carrabba's w/my parents & YES, Im eatin again! I love 2 eat, but I wont look like Cueto @ 2nd base! He has "Great Cincy Boobs!"

Mega lulz

Amy
Amy
2/3/2011 5:29:25 PM #

Dang it, I was about to post that. Good stuff.

Mary
Mary
2/3/2011 5:40:59 PM #

Didn't I recently read (like maybe when his contract was finally announced after his physical) that he was in the best shape he's ever been in?  Maybe BP will have to worry about Cueto looking like him

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/3/2011 6:47:07 PM #

they did say that...we'll see. I need a banner in Goodyear that says Great Cincy Boobs. If a post in the future refers to GCB we'll all know what it means.

rpa
rpa
2/3/2011 6:54:16 PM #

Over/Under on number of Reds players said to be "reporting to ST in the best shape of their careers" or "looking like they worked out hard in the offseason"?  I'd say 10.

Those guys run out of stuff to write about the first couple weeks of spring training before the games start.

Amy
Amy
2/3/2011 7:02:02 PM #

Read that about D-Train today, as a matter of fact. "ripped," "very low body fat."

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/3/2011 7:09:47 PM #

RPA's # might be low. The propaganda machine will start firing that crap out there left and right.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/3/2011 7:13:52 PM #

I'm going to ST training this year at my best. I eating right and working out(until I cracked a rib monday playing football with 6 year olds). I need to be in shape for 6 hours of baseball each day, beer, makers mark, In and Out, Pizzeria Bianco and St Patty's day. I'm touching those Goodyear cheese coney's...looked awful.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/3/2011 7:33:09 PM #

Here is Laynce Nix's bigger headline

Nix joins Nats.

Damn it....We can post that Nats hat pic with the 2 Wishbone C's

CTR tweeted that news before Sheldon and Fay btw.

AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
2/3/2011 7:34:42 PM #

By the way, what are the chances that the Bengals thought they were hiring Jon Gruden for offensive coordinator and not his brother? 60%? 80%?

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/3/2011 7:36:12 PM #

Jay Gruden is a very good hire. No joke. This guy knows offense and has succeeded at every single stop. Its criminal this is his first opportunity.

AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
2/3/2011 7:39:04 PM #

That may be, but what's more likely - that Cincinnati knew that or that they thought he was actually Jon?

rpa
rpa
2/3/2011 7:39:19 PM #

I am still convinced that a similar misunderstanding is the only reason they hired Dave Shula.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/3/2011 7:43:19 PM #

I used to hate the man. As a season ticket holder for the Orlando Preds of the Arena F.L. Gruden used to stick it to us when he won several championships and awards with the T.B. Storm. He was a very good college QB too.

Then he came to Orlando as the coach...Thats like Brady becoming the Jets coach in AFL terms. We were very good and when our stud QB went down he came out of retirement and took us to the championship.

He worked for his brother to learn the ropes of the NFL for 7 seasons but Jon is a control freak so he never had a real opportunity to put his spin on things.

He was OC for the Tuskers of the UFL here on Orlando under Haslett and led the league in Offense and then took over as head coach last season and again had the top offense and won the championship. Fun fun offensive scheme. I love this guy. I've seen his work for many years and its about time he got a chance to prove himself.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/3/2011 7:45:44 PM #

in case you wondered your comments have been mirrored on the ENQ blog by several trolls in case you cared. We are more creative here right?

AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
2/3/2011 7:49:40 PM #

HA! I should feel bad, I guess, but I legitimately don't care at all about the Bengals, so I had no idea. It's obviously an easy joke to make though.

All I know is that as long as the corpse of Carson Palmer is under center, Jesus himself could draw up the plays; it's not making a difference. I think they should trade him to a QB desperate team like, say, San Fran who has a defender or two they could use.

Champ Summers
Champ Summers
2/3/2011 7:56:22 PM #

Gruden can succeed with a decent QB. He can probably make Carson look decent.

rpa
rpa
2/3/2011 8:59:46 PM #

As a Seahawks fan, I would like to see Palmer traded to Seattle.  Maybe reuniting with Carroll would help him.  And there's no way he's worse than Mark "Crappy Farve" Hasselpick or Charlie "Almost as many wasted draft picks as Rick Mirer" Whitehurst.

rpa
rpa
2/3/2011 9:02:28 PM #

I misspelled Favre.  Weird.  Hooked on Fonics over here.

AshlandATeam
AshlandATeam
2/3/2011 10:25:41 PM #

Well, Matt 'Crappy Favre' Hasselpick sure shredded the crap out of my Saints in the playoffs, didn't he? Man was that game terrible.

RedFaced
RedFaced
2/4/2011 1:20:45 AM #

New thread is up finally, sorry for the delay.   Oh Spring is just around the corner.  

Mary
Mary
2/4/2011 10:27:23 AM #

Uh--I don't see it anywhere...

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